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Initially, it sounded like Modern, Classic, and Avatar were having separate campaigns ala SA1 and 06 - is that still a thing or are they switching out ala SA2? This description reads more to me like the game has one campaign and you switch based on where the story decides to next focus on. 

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3 minutes ago, GentlemanX said:

Initially, it sounded like Modern, Classic, and Avatar were having separate campaigns ala SA1 and 06 - is that still a thing or are they switching out ala SA2? This description reads more to me like the game has one campaign and you switch based on where the story decides to next focus on. 

That's exactly what Nakamura said on a tweet about how the story will work a long time ago.

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5 minutes ago, GentlemanX said:

Initially, it sounded like Modern, Classic, and Avatar were having separate campaigns ala SA1 and 06 - is that still a thing or are they switching out ala SA2? This description reads more to me like the game has one campaign and you switch based on where the story decides to next focus on. 

I think it's just that every location has its own stage for a character. Classic stage, Sonic stage, Avatar stage, Tag Team stage. Like Generations.

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2 minutes ago, Razule said:

I think it's just that every location has its own stage for a character. Classic stage, Sonic stage, Avatar stage, Tag Team stage. Like Generations.

That's likely the case, but again, it probably won't progress like Generations did, where you finish each act of that zone and then move on to the next one. The avatar and classic should come before modern Sonic is found again, so that means you're required to play stages that have story significance, and stage order is not zone-by-zone, and more mission based.

This is how the Metal Sonic boss in Park Avenue can be a tag team stage without requiring Sonic to be found before Park Avenue is finished, since Tails is still searching in Casino Forest. This is how the Avatar Green Hill comes after the Tag Team stage where they blow up the pyramid, as it wouldn't have to be the Avatar's second level by default.

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I'm assuming that because of the variety in possible models for the avatar character that any pre-rendered high quality cutscene we've seen so far that has the avatar in it won't be in the game. Shame, I really like the one where Sonic looks up and sees Shadow and the other villains.

Even more of a shame when you consier how much of the Generations trailers had this stuff and then didn't have it in-game either

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What the hell parallel universe do we live in, where someone claiming that the new Sonic story is bascially bad fanfiction a year in advance... Only to be proven right absolutely verbatim.

Why is this a thing?

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lol if your source is right, I honestly don't know what to think of the story. I also thought Infinite was created to conquer the world with Dr Eggman, not after Sonic escaped from his epic fall into a hole.

Uh oh, hope they don't make Sonic useless and weak like in Sonic 06.

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Alright, so, let's put this all together.  (For convenience purposes, I'm renaming the triple-named city stage "City Attack.")

Opening: Eggman blindsides Modern, possibly (hopefully) with a Phantom Ruby Prototype, and captures him.  Eggman then moves in to take over the whole world with his new Phantom Ruby Prototype power.  Sonic's friends form the Resistance to oppose him; Tails falls into despair.

Avatar City Attack: Avatar joins the Resistance, is given a generic training mission to start off with.

Classic Green Hill: Classic appears in the Forces space-time along with the real, original Phantom Ruby.  Tails, searching for Modern after hearing he was seen in Green Hill, meets Classic.  Eggman shows up following Phantom Ruby readings?

Modern "Eggman's Prison"?: Modern escapes from Eggman's prison.

Classic Boss Green Hill: Classic and Tails beat Eggman but Eggman nabs off with the real Phantom Ruby.

Avatar "Eggman's Prison"?: Avatar infiltrates Eggman's prison.  Modern and the Avatar meet in Eggman's prison and escape.   Eggman uses the real Phantom Ruby to finish Infinite and unleash him against the world.  In the background, Infinite defeats and captures Shadow and Zavok, and creates illusions of them, Metal Sonic, and Chaos.

Modern Casino Forest?: Modern encounters Infinite in Casino Forest.

Classic Casino Forest: Classic and Tails search for Modern.  Classic and Tails meet Modern and bring him to join the Resistance?

Boss?

Modern City Attack: Modern races off to find Shadow.  Modern and Tails encounter Infinite and his gang of illusions, who beat Sonic up.

Classic City Attack?: Classic, likely aided by the Avatar, rescues Modern.

Tag Team Boss "City in Ruins"?: Modern and Avatar fight Metal Sonic.

Modern Green Hill?

Tag Team Green Hill?

Avatar Green Hill?

Classic?

Boss?

Chemical Plant?

...Trying to put this sequence of events together according to the cutscenes, in-level dialogue, and Jango's version of events leaves some major problems and inconsistencies.  Classic and Tails are still searching for Modern in Casino Forest, so presumably this leads into the cutscene where Modern meets Infinite there, but then they don't fight or have any kind of encounter from which data can be gathered until they're all reunited back in the city?  Sonic gets beaten by Eggman's forces twice but Sonic is captured in the fight before Eggman has Infinite and walks away from the fight after Eggman has Infinite?  Incidentally, Infinite's purpose in Jango's version of events changes from defeating the Resistance to defeating Sonic:

8 hours ago, Jango said:

Infinite's sole purpose is to erase the resistance.

6 hours ago, Jango said:

BTW, Eggman has created Infinite to kill/stop Sonic once he's escaped the prison base, fearing that his comeback would bring back hope to the almost defeated resistance.

I have no opinion on whether or not Jango's version of the story is authentic, because I place no faith in Sonic Team's ability to compose a coherent story.  But try and tell me this version of events isn't a lot cleaner:

Eggman uses a replica Phantom Ruby Prototype to create Infinite, who creates his team of illusionary villains.  They attack the city along with a massive army.  Sonic's friends scramble to respond until Modern shows up to save the day, but he is lured into a fight with Infinite's gang and they beat Modern and capture him.  With Modern out of the way, Eggman's forces sweep through the world and take over up to 99%.  Tails slinks off in despair and meets Classic who has appeared in Green Hill, and they resolve to find Modern.  The Avatar joins the Resistance, and on a mission to infiltrate Eggman's prison meets up with an escaping Modern.  The original Phantom Ruby becomes a key McGuffin which everyone is after.

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@FFWF 's post above is mostly what I heard from my contact.

Eggman caught Modern Sonic at the intro. Neither the Phantom Ruby or Infinite existed yet, but Eggman had prototypes and research. Sonic's guard was down when Eggman captured him.

After this, Eggman starts to take over the world, and Sonic's friends are all scared shitless because Sonic didn't showed up. They run and hide. When they decide to form the resistance, it's already too late. The avatar steps up and go on a mission to find and join the resistance.

After that it's basically everything I've already said. Tails finds Classic Sonic in GHZ, Eggman nabs the Ruby, Modern Sonic escapes with the help of the avatar, they all reunite at some point in Sunset Heights, Modern Sonic encounters with Infinite, gets his ass kicked.

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I think your story is fake, not that I don't believe you, but we were told by Iizuka that various modern stages are returning as well.

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I don't think Eggman's going to just lock Sonic up somewhere tho', that seems a bit too simple, especially since during all this time he could've killed him. With all the time fuckery involved, I feel like we're getting a Samurai Jack-esque situation where Eggman just flings Sonic far enough into the future so that he can conquer the world and finish Infinite, so that once Sonic comes back, his victory would be basically impossible, as the world would be entirely under Eggman's rule, and Eggman himself had enough time to prepare for Sonic's return.

Everyone thinks Sonic disappeared since he went to fight Eggman and was never seen again, Tails, who saw what happened left in despair, and the world goes to shit.

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Wait, so because Sonic isn't around his friends go into hiding instead of fighting back straightaway? Even Knuckles?? What about Shadow and Silver, two of the most powerful characters around? That's..pretty stupid if you ask me. 

1 hour ago, Kuzu the Boloedge said:

I like how all of the supporting cast are basically useless without Sonic around, that's hilarious.

Now that you put it that way, it is funny but I'm not sure that's a good thing. >>;

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Most of them run and hide at first, they struggle. I've being told that Eggman took 99% of the world in weeks. 

I've asked about more returning stages, didn't got a response, but as for classic stages, it's the same from Generations. Sky Sanctuary has rain in a concept art.

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11 minutes ago, Jango said:

Most of them run and hide at first, they struggle. I've being told that Eggman took 99% of the world in weeks. 

I've asked about more returning stages, didn't got a response, but as for classic stages, it's the same from Generations. Sky Sanctuary has rain in a concept art.

Rain? Did you say

RAIN??

 

 

 

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PLEASE BE REAL!!!

....i hope it's true. Rain is cool.

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42 minutes ago, Jango said:

Most of them run and hide at first, they struggle. I've being told that Eggman took 99% of the world in weeks. 

I've asked about more returning stages, didn't got a response, but as for classic stages, it's the same from Generations. Sky Sanctuary has rain in a concept art.

While I'd normally be all for rain, it would be really lame for this level. Sky Sanctuary should lie in ruins at the bottom of the ocean (and as someone said in the statuses the other day, that would work well as a level for Forces). This game seems intent on only adapting previous levels in the most underwhelming of ways.

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Okay...if this source is legit, can they perhaps confirm if Blaze is in Sonic Forces or not? Because so far we have seen Silver all by himself. 

Personally I don't care if she does or not cos she only causes more confusion by being there. 

EDIT: smh at the return of Sky Sanctuary. But hey, who knows? Maybe RAIN can make things more interesting! 8D

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Was Silver ever explained on how he got here?

 

Also, I honestly hope that if more levels return, they are not from Generations.

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1 hour ago, Jango said:

Most of them run and hide at first, they struggle. I've being told that Eggman took 99% of the world in weeks. 

I've asked about more returning stages, didn't got a response, but as for classic stages, it's the same from Generations. Sky Sanctuary has rain in a concept art.

How Episode Shadow could fit in all of this?

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You first said that all of the other stages aside from those 3 are brand new, now you are saying you don't know. Pick an answer.

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Alright everyone's still following this "rumor" for reference apparently, so explain to me this: How does Eggman, before Classic Sonic appears and the Ruby itself debuts alongside him...

A: Know about a Phantom Ruby and how it works?

B: Call it a prototype if he doesn't know a finished version even exists?

Or C: emulate it's powers of reality altering and teleportation without having the original at hand to draw them from?

There's no real reason to believe the prototype angle, this early on in the story specifically at least, is the actual case outside of this constantly evolving rumor. So how does it make logical sense in the story in the first place? In what way can this angle possibly make any sense?

 

Why on earth isn't it just the Ruby itself that he uses, like he always has???

 

guys this needs to be addressed for the rumor to hold up in the first place >:v 

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Quote

Nakamura: I want you (the player) to have thoughts like “Why!?” while you’re playing.

Mission fucking accomplished.

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