Sonic Forces - Japanese Introduction Trailer

[Kuzu]

1 hour ago, Diogenes said:

What concerns me is that people see a moderately well cut trailer and seem to instantly lose any sort of critical eye, to the point of not even caring about major aspects of game design because it "looks cool".

The message that this is going to send to Sonic Team is that there's no need for them to improve. They can just makes something that looks cool, and people will keep giving them a free pass on never improving.

I'm willing to bet this has been their mantra since Colors. If people like it and will buy the product, then it's a success as far as everyone else is concerned.

Yes, its not what we want, but at this point, Sonic Team probably don't really care what the specific subset of fans want and just want some broad appeal.

 

Sooooooo...*Shrug* Kind of tired of hoping for a game that's probably never going to come lol.

[Eurisko]

Still looks great to me. I'm leaving all other judgement until it comes out.

[Diogenes]

2 minutes ago, Creep Dude said:

He was saying that because he wasn't bothered by it because of the positives shown, not that it wasn't a problem.

So he was...ignoring it.

2 minutes ago, Creep Dude said:

This trailer wasn't made to get criticized, it was to build hype. 

Everything Sonic Team puts out is intended to build hype. That doesn't mean it shouldn't be criticized; otherwise, you're just falling for the marketing.

[McGroose]

Wow, Metal Sonic got huge somehow. Almost makes me wonder if it's a reference to something else...

... Nah, probably just overthinking it.

Ya, I'm loving everything I'm seeing from this, but Modern's level design is disappointing me. I'm forgiving when it comes to this stuff but the Modern levels are just so bland. I'm hoping that Sega just inconveniently showed the parts of the level with less stuff to do, but as far as modern's level design goes so far... fuck, what level design?

[Jovahexeon Jax Joranvexeon]

28 minutes ago, Jango said:

Now this is too much.

 To ask that people who are positive about the game not be generalized as bring blinded by hype?

I really hope that was just a bout where you misunderstood the context.  :U

17 minutes ago, Diogenes said:

So he was...ignoring it.

 Contradicted by:

20 minutes ago, Joseph Henry said:

Exactly, later on he agreed that the level design needs work (putting it slightly), and despite that he is hyped for the game.

If all this is to be taken at face value, than this debate concerning @Stasis in particular, was utterly pointless from wherever it originated. 

 Unless the message is to not get excited at all by hype trailers. 

[Meta77]

I also want Sega to improve but at the same time I'm in love with this game so hard. So what if it's not some 10 rated  AAA game many and I mean Many will still enjoy it. I'm 28 work full time and doing grad school  sometimes just enjoying something for what it is helps me through the day without constant worry cause a level goes straight.  It looks enjoyable to me and that's what I'm lettinG Sega know though I'd still want a SA3

[Bridge-Moon Entertainment]

28 minutes ago, Jango said:

Now this is too much. Lately everytime someone talk their dislikes, real technical flawed stuff, they're "attacking the people who actually like the game".

But when someone post the most mindless reaction: "whatever if it's bad designed, the trailer makes it looks cool!" it's okay? 

You know we do take our time to critically look, analyse, observe and compare the game too, don't? Or you think we just come here to hate the game? We want to like it as much as anyone who's trully excited for it. 

When I see a coment so vague as "whatever it looks cool", I feel offended.

True. There is definitely a double standard going here, but displaying the exact same behavior you claim to hate isn't helping anything.

[Celestia]

I agree with the notion people should be critical of stuff they like, but it's not obligatory by any means. And I kinda doubt SEGA (or any company, really) pays little enough attention to things fans say to focus on that specific kind of response and take that as the consensus. It's like when brand accounts on twitter or w/e only share purely positive posts, of course they'd do that, it doesn't mean it's the only comments they see. It's...not that big a deal, guys.

 

Anyway, I think if Metal Sonic being so huge is an intentional reference to anything, it's Metal Sonic Kai.

[Crazy_Diamond]

People need to realize that those praising the game for some aspects aren't excusing it of any flaws. Like come on, it seems like every positive post here is met with "but this other part is shit though". We weren't talking about that other part were we? And I am really laughing at the people saying that anyone hyped for the game is "falling for marketing". So when a person likes the game based on what he has been shown, that's falling for marketing, but when someone dislikes the game based on what he has been shown that is a fully legitimate and valid critique? Come on now.

[Wraith]

I think it's important to support aspects of a game you like as well and not just focus on the negatives. I've talked to a lot of fans who say they really enjoy the story part of this game, so it would make sense to support that if that's your jam. 

I like Mania, but I don't support the lack of story elements/other things about it. Still bought the shit cause it's fun as fuck and hits the mark in many, many, ways for me.

[StaticMania]

I wonder if this will be the last Boost related game. It somehow seems like they're not able to come up with something to make it more interesting game-play wise. Certainly it can't come back if the levels are this basic.

[RedFox99]

42 minutes ago, Diogenes said:

So he was...ignoring it

It's possible to not ignore something yet not let it bother you.

[-Justin-]

Oh, this trailer was just too hype. Everything about it was so awesome!

[RedFox99]

Honestly, I think the gameplay looks alright. It could be worse.

[Mad Convoy]

The thing is, and what a lot of fans have trouble understanding, is that you don't have to have a logical reason to validly enjoy a game. Take me for example. Sonic and the Secret Rings is a game that I have every reason to hate. It contains many of my least favorite game tropes-- forcing you to unlock good controls and attacks when that should be there from the start, no clear direction on where to go after the first few chapters, terrible level design that makes Forces's levels look like SA1's by comparison, no Wiimote/Nunchuck option, etc. And yet... I love playing it. Its really a lot of fun for me. Maybe the waggle is carthatic, maybe I like all the details of the levels even if they're weird. Who knows?

And if the intent is just to express excitement and praise at the good parts of the game, then I'd say let 'em do it. Not every little fan remark warrants being ripped to shred and analyzed to death, and very few are saying that they don't know the flaws or that you aren't allowed to hate the game.

And I know several people here would not appreciate it if the treatment they're giving to Forces's fans was turned on fans of games they like. Heads would roll if something felt the need to point out a Mania flaw every time somebody got excited about something in Mania. Or if they were told that they had to be stupid and falling for hype if they express a part that they like about SA1 or SA2. So treat others the way you'd like to be treated.

Anyway, the trailer seems really good from what I see. Can't wait to see what they do with the American trailer. I wonder who is doing the Avatar's VA. Actually, what is the default Avatar's official name? Is he just "Avatar," or "Rookie," or something else?

[RedFox99]

So I wonder if Omega will tag along with Tails and CS. 

[Nicky Nicardo]

Does anyone know if there's gonna be more than one save file for the game? That's one thing I'm kinda worried about - I'm gonna play this with my sibling, and we both definitely wanna make our own OC's. I hope there's not just one save file that has to be deleted over and over again if one wants to make new OC's.

[DiamondX]

3 minutes ago, FriesWithoutKetchup said:

Does anyone know if there's gonna be more than one save file for the game? That's one thing I'm kinda worried about - I'm gonna play this with my sibling, and we both definitely wanna make our own OC's. I hope there's not just one save file that has to be deleted over and over again if one wants to make new OC's.

I'm sure they will have multiple save files.

Xenoverse 2 had ten avatar slots/save files.

[Nicky Nicardo]

1 minute ago, Limit Breaker Diamond said:

I'm sure they will have multiple save files.

Xenoverse 2 had ten avatar slots/save files.

Yeah, I know - I loved that about Xenoverse.

Still, you never know until it comes out... I mean, I'm 99% sure that it'll have multiple saves, it's just that 1% of worry that lingers. xD

[Dee Dude]

There's a trophy for playing a second playtrough with a new Avatar, so it's safe to presume you can make multiples.

But once you make an Avatar, you stick with it.

[Nicky Nicardo]

1 minute ago, Creep Dude said:

There's a trophy for playing a second playtrough with a new Avatar, so it's safe to presume you can make multiples.

But once you make an Avatar, you stick with it.

Oh, I know about that trophy, yeah.

I just worry that you can't have two or more different OC's in their own save files at one time, if that makes any sense... like, I wonder if you have to complete the game and THEN make your second avatar. -shrugs-

But from what I know, most Sonic games have multiple co-existing save files.

[Celestia]

Well, the last (non-Mania) Sonic game to have save files was Colours, and even before that it wasn't always a sure thing. A lot of series don't do it anymore tho' so it's not too surprising. It's like they expect you to either delete your file or make separate profiles for fresh playthroughs which is...weird as hell tbh.

There's also the Rental Hero mode that was just revealed, maybe that's how you can make a second avatar?

[Radiant Hero Ike]

I wouldn't worry about save files, if it doesn't have multiple, you can make a different account on the system of your choice.

[Nicky Nicardo]

1 minute ago, Radiant Hero Ike said:

I wouldn't worry about save files, if it doesn't have multiple, you can make a different account on the system of your choice.

...that's a good point that I never would've thought of. Thanks!

[Radiant Hero Ike]

Just now, FriesWithoutKetchup said:

...that's a good point that I never would've thought of. Thanks!

No problem, glad to be of help.

So, I wonder who attacked Silver in that one scene... He seemed injured.