Sonic Forces Reviews Thread

[DiamondX]

2 minutes ago, Mayor D said:

Has anyone who thinks the game is amazing actually posted a well thought out argument as to why?

Eurogamer review. Not read it yet, there is no score.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2017-11-08-sonic-forces-review

Maybe some people enjoy the boost gameplay? 

Seriously, you guys act like people are forcing the idea of Sonic Forces being an amazing game  on your throats when it's the opposite.

[Dr. Mechano]

3 minutes ago, Infinite ∞ said:

Maybe some people enjoy the boost gameplay? 

Seriously, you guys act like people are forcing the idea of Sonic Forces being an amazing game  on your throats when it's the opposite.

I think what he's saying is that detractors can usually rattle off a bunch of technical reasons why the game is bad: Linear level design, bad controls, cheap pit deaths, the Wispons absolutely trivializing the already-nonresponsive enemies, that sort of thing.

People defending the game will usually just say that it's good, but not really get into the nitty-gritty of why the game works for them. 

[Badnik Mechanic]

8 minutes ago, Infinite ∞ said:

Maybe some people enjoy the boost gameplay? 

Seriously, you guys act like people are forcing the idea of Sonic Forces being an amazing game  on your throats when it's the opposite.

 

Considering how some people are practically crying and spouting conspiracy theories over reviews and reviews which are not even published it would be nice to see the counter argument actually being made for once.

[KHCast]

Not to mention people point out when negative review doesn't explain why, but don't seem to have the same level of standard holding when it's good and instead use "they just like it guys geez"

[Radiant Hero Ike]

The Eurogamer review is kind of weird. Not unfair or anything but like, it reads strangely. Like calling the stomp a ground pound and saying Casino Night Zone is in (which it is technically, but it's Casino Forest and doesn't really resemble Casino Night very much, to me anyways. Not red enough).

The positives are weird too, like... Saying Classic Sonic is a high point? Which is kind of weird since the headline says "after the high of Mania, Forces is a depressing return to form". The reviewer also likes what happens to the music when you boost. I actually hate how the music gets all tinny and weird when you boost.

I'm surprised they don't mention the Avatar's janky controls (unless I missed it), and seems more just against the Avatar existing at all.

[DaN]

I think the best thing we can do as sonic fans is admit how bad Sonic Forces is and roar to Sonic Team. 

I am attached to this  franchise and I’d like to see competent developers bring back Sonic once and for all. I gave up on Sonic Team, but not on Sonic.

let’s make a petition of some sort

[Monkey Destruction Switch]

1 hour ago, PaulyBFromDa303 said:

Quite frankly I'm astonished at the lack of support from idiot critics

I know you're being hyperbolic, but can we not? This kind of rhetoric doesn't help your case.

40 minutes ago, Framerate said:

Let’s just say this every fandom hates ign the sonic fandom, and the brony fandom ign game the mlp movie a 3/10 and it pissed Bronys off I bet the forces review may piss off the sonic fandom becuase how they play the game and suck on it purposely so far a lot of fandoms hate ign becuase let’s face it ign is shit and terrible the sonic community says so and so does the brony community.  ign = idiot gay nit pickers 

This post is kinda...weird, but at any rate, don't use "gay" as an insult. Maybe you were just trying to be facetious, but if so the execution leaves something to be desired, because there's no shift in writing style between that phrase and the rest of the post.

[PaulyBFromDa303]

OK well now I feel obligated. I've ditched the android and brought out the laptop (Ooooo the big guns look out). I gotta say this is why I try to avoid the forum pages. I also wonder how many of my friends here will become enemies after this

Spoiler

 

Why do I like Forces? Where do I begin? I fell in love with the story almost immediately. THAT's the way I would have wanted Eggman to take over the world. THAT's the way it should have been. And then they bring in the Custom character, which, not only is it pretty fun to accessorize, and obtain as you play which I love actually, which brings in a sense of achievement and motivation, the story actually developed the Custom VERY well, from being a hesitant scared guy to hanging out with Sonic and gaining confidence enough to face his biggest fear. And the utilization of characters like Vector, Omega, Rouge, and even Silver (but not Blaze somehow, that's one downside that's made up for in the avatars cause you can just MAKE Blaze) made everything all the more interesting. It would have been cool to have them as playable characters sure but they did just fine without. And the dialogue, all the hidden memes and messages, and Sonic's smartass really reminded me of the Jaleel White days, which I enjoyed.

Let's move on to the gameplay. Very smooth if you ask me. Like most Sonic games you have to be precise in the buttons you hit. I found the steering to be a little more challenging than some other games, but still doesn't hold anything back. The utilization of the wisps was also very awesome. As you unlock more wispons you can actually get a more in depth look at the level, like for instance, with the Burst and Hover guns. The level seems short until you discover these things. Speaking of, the levels can't be any shorter than they were in Mania or even some of the Genesis levels (though not as long as the Adventure series), and with the fact that there's 30+ of them, it doesn't even really matter (Unless you'd have wanted more missions like Adventure 2 had, which honestly would have been a lot more badass). I love the boost function, I dunno what kind of argument one could have with a boost function but apparently there's ways. I love it when it gets faster paced. Makes it more challenging. I hold that button down quite a bit actually.

Now to be fair, I'll point out the flaws. As I have mentioned before, more missions and playable characters would have been amazing. Mini-games would have been pretty cool. There's not much more I can think of as I've been sitting here for five straight minutes TRYING to think of things I don't like about this game. And it's hard! It's hard for me! I enjoy this game, and I think 58 is too harsh for it. You want a REAL, ACCURATE score for this game? How about 79? That's what I'm choosing

You know, I can't even finish this whole review as I haven't even gotten far at all in Episode Shadow yet. There's more to this than meets the eye if you just pay attention to detail. You can have fun with it. Or you can be in a slump about it. THAT'S THE MAGIC OF AN OPINION!!!

 

Now, this took a whole good 30 minutes to type. Let's go eat, huh

[KHCast]

1 minute ago, PaulyBFromDa303 said:

THAT's the way I would have wanted Eggman to take over the world.

Text that said "eggman took over the world?"

[PaulyBFromDa303]

Should I spoiler it? I'm gonna spoiler this.

Done. Fixed

[Dr. Mechano]

Just now, KHCast said:

Text that said "eggman took over the world?"

How about Eggman deciding to destroy the world he already ruled over, so he could, uh... conquer it again? 

...Is Eggman senile in this game or something?

[Meta77]

10 minutes ago, DaN said:

I think the best thing we can do as sonic fans is admit how bad Sonic Forces is and roar to Sonic Team. 

I am attached to this  franchise and I’d like to see competent developers bring back Sonic once and for all. I gave up on Sonic Team, but not on Sonic.

let’s make a petition of some sort

Yea see in there lies the issue with this game some sonic fans like this game. Even some who aren't fans. And some hate it.  So there is a a very far call you'll get a bark more than a roar.im just as much a fan as the next person. Sonic was my first game in 91 and I own everything from ties to giant statues and forces is far from bad. Do I want Sega to improve? Hell yes but I'm not acting as if my soul was destroyed by this game

 

1 minute ago, Super Mechanio said:

How about Eggman deciding to destroy the world he already ruled over, so he could, uh... conquer it again? 

...Is Eggman senile in this game or something?

......um.. .he wanted to do the same thing in adventure

[Dr. Mechano]

2 minutes ago, Meta77 said:

Yea see in there lies the issue with this game some sonic fans like this game. Even some who aren't fans. And some hate it.  So there is a a very far call you'll get a bark more than a roar.im just as much a fan as the next person. Sonic was my first game in 91 and I own everything from ties to giant statues and forces is far from bad. Do I want Sega to improve? Hell yes but I'm not acting as if my soul was destroyed by this game

 

......um.. .he wanted to do the same thing in adventure

A.) In Adventure, he wanted to destroy a single city, not the whole world and

B.) He didn't already rule that city.

 

In Forces, Eggman already seized control of the world before going "I'm gonna burn it all down and then conquer the ruins, lol!" ...but like, it'd be the ruins of his empire. Because he already ruled the world.

Again, it makes Eggman seem like a forgetful old coot in this game.

[Balding Spider]

2 minutes ago, Meta77 said:

Yea see in there lies the issue with this game some sonic fans like this game. Even some who aren't fans. And some hate it.  So there is a a very far call you'll get a bark more than a roar.im just as much a fan as the next person. Sonic was my first game in 91 and I own everything from ties to giant statues and forces is far from bad. Do I want Sega to improve? Hell yes but I'm not acting as if my soul was destroyed by this game

 

......um.. .he wanted to do the same thing in adventure

He hadn't taken over Station Square already though.

[KHCast]

1 minute ago, Super Mechanio said:

A.) In Adventure, he wanted to destroy a single city, not the whole world and

B.) He didn't already rule that city.

 

In Forces, Eggman already seized control of the world before going "I'm gonna burn it all down and then conquer the ruins, lol!" ...but like, it'd be the ruins of his empire. Because he already ruled the world.

Well to be fair, going by Unleashed, he probably was destroying shit to build a larger Eggmanland over it all

[Dr. Mechano]

Just now, KHCast said:

Well to be fair, going by Unleashed, he probably was destroying shit to build a larger Eggmanland over it all

Sure, but in Unleashed, splitting the world apart didn't utterly destroy everything on the planet.

And still, he didn't already control the planet in that game.

I feel like the writers forgot their own premise midway through, and the game went from "free the world from Eggman" to "stop Eggman from conquering the world," as per usual.

...Also, he wanted to drop the sun on the planet while he was still on it. And the game doesn't explain how he could've survived, not even a throwaway line like "Oh, since I control the Ruby I'm immune to the sun, hoho!" or anything. As far as we can tell, crazy old Eggman was about to burn himself alive.

[Meta77]

8 minutes ago, Super Mechanio said:

A.) In Adventure, he wanted to destroy a single city, not the whole world and

B.) He didn't already rule that city.

 

In Forces, Eggman already seized control of the world before going "I'm gonna burn it all down and then conquer the ruins, lol!" ...but like, it'd be the ruins of his empire. Because he already ruled the world.

Again, it makes Eggman seem like a forgetful old coot in this game.

Not really think of it this way.  I own the Wal-Mart in your town now or hell even your town after years of weasel tactics. I'm now owner over your city. My goal was that I want your city to build a park or turn it into a city wide outdoor mall. What do I have to do to build my things???????? I have to destroy and move got buildings and homes out of my way.

4 minutes ago, Super Mechanio said:

Sure, but in Unleashed, splitting the world apart didn't utterly destroy everything on the planet.

And still, he didn't already control the planet in that game.

I feel like the writers forgot their own premise midway through, and the game went from "free the world from Eggman" to "stop Eggman from conquering the world," as per usual.

...Also, he wanted to drop the sun on the planet while he was still on it. And the game doesn't explain how he could've survived, not even a throwaway line like "Oh, since I control the Ruby I'm immune to the sun, hoho!" or anything. As far as we can tell, crazy old Eggman was about to burn himself alive.

I mean even I assumed it was cause he had a ruby. Granted they should have explained it but that's the conclusion I came up with.

[The Tenth Doctor]

Call me crazy but I think I have a theory on that burning plan.

Spoiler

They were in the middle of a desert right? Also, the Phantom Ruby changes someone's perception of reality. So all the people on that battlefield saw the sun coming. It would kill them as they were being controlled by the ruby right? So the rest of the world wouldn't have been targeted by the ruby at that time, only the army in the desert. So Eggman wouldn't burn the whole world, only those in that desert who are believing the sun was going to crash, while the rest of the world is unaware of it and not being controlled to believe it.

 

[Dr. Mechano]

3 minutes ago, Meta77 said:

Not really think of it this way.  I own the Wal-Mart in your town now or hell even your town after years of weasel tactics. I'm not owner over your city. My goal was that I want your city to build a park or turn it into a city wide outdoor mall. What do I have to do to build my things???????? I have to destroy and move got buildings and homes out of my way.

...But Eggman does already own the city. He owns almost all the cities.

Again, the premise was that Eggman planned to destroy the entire world - which he already owned most of. It's the story of a man who wrecks his own property so he can ostensibly conquer it all over again. And that's getting past the issue of him surviving his own scorched-earth strategy.

Considering he literally said "the world" I have no reason to believe it was a localized attack.

[KHCast]

5 minutes ago, Super Mechanio said:

Sure, but in Unleashed, splitting the world apart didn't utterly destroy everything on the planet.

 

Yeah, but the land mass Eggmanland was built over existed. And they even mention how Eggmanland built over stuff. Eggmanland wasn't just there out of nowhere. He didn't need to rule over the world to build it.

 This would be just a more extreme case where he happens to rule over the world   

[Dr. Mechano]

Just now, KHCast said:

Yeah, but the land mass Eggmanland was built over existed. And they even mention how Eggmanland built over stuff. Eggmanland wasn't just there out of nowhere. He didn't need to rule over the world to build it.

 This would be just a more extreme case  

You're missing what I'm saying though.

In Unleashed, Eggman didn't own that landmass before building Eggmanland on it.

In Forces, Eggman owns most of the planet and decides to just wreck his own empire anyway - just so he can conquer it all over again. It makes no sense

[Balding Spider]

2 minutes ago, Super Mechanio said:

Sure, but in Unleashed, splitting the world apart didn't utterly destroy everything on the planet.

And still, he didn't already control the planet in that game.

I feel like the writers forgot their own premise midway through, and the game went from "free the world from Eggman" to "stop Eggman from conquering the world," as per usual.

...Also, he wanted to drop the sun on the planet while he was still on it. And the game doesn't explain how he could've survived, not even a throwaway line like "Oh, since I control the Ruby I'm immune to the sun, hoho!" or anything. As far as we can tell, crazy old Eggman was about to burn himself alive.

I wanna say the only reason he'd survive the impact of the sun striking him was because he was the only character not effected by the ruby's influence. I want to say that, but the level of effort that was put into defining its power and limits is on par with Golden Experience. Yeah I worked in a JOJO reference!

[Radiant Hero Ike]

Tails said "as long as we're under the Phantom Ruby's control, that sun is real", or something to that effect. Meaning Eggman wouldn't have been affected since he wasn't under its control.

[Meta77]

3 minutes ago, Super Mechanio said:

...But Eggman does already own the city. He owns almost all the cities.

Again, the premise was that Eggman planned to destroy the entire world - which he already owned most of. It's the story of a man who wrecks his own property so he can ostensibly conquer it all over again. And that's getting past the issue of him surviving his own scorched-earth strategy.

Considering he literally said "the world" I have no reason to believe it was a localized attack.

He owned things but they were still the cities they were upon takeover pretty much. He literally wants the world rebuilt in his image he even states that

[Balding Spider]

1 minute ago, Radiant Hero Ike said:

Tails said "as long as we're under the Phantom Ruby's control, that sun is real", or something to that effect. Meaning Eggman wouldn't have been affected since he wasn't under its control.

If he wasn't effected by the Ruby's power, then how would he have even been able to see it? All of that was an illusion right?