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I don't think I've seen a recent Sonic game with less interest than this, mainly due to marketing, even the E3 trailer doesn't have as many views as Forces and Mania videos, it's a spin-off, I know, Mario & Sonic series has been getting the same lack of hype. Though I'm gonna say that they really showed little of the game, the E3 trailer is mostly music and CGI, if they did a trailer like Crash, that shows a lot of stuff, that could create more interest perhaps.

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On 1/10/2019 at 6:06 PM, Blueknight V2.0 said:

New Team Sonic Racing ost released called Ocean View.

Now to me this looks like the exact track layout from Sonic & All-Stars Racing Transformed.

Not bad, but I still prefer  the 'Brand New World' remix from the 'Sonic the Hedgehog - Remix' album.

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8 hours ago, Jack in the Snow said:

I don't think I've seen a recent Sonic game with less interest than this, mainly due to marketing, even the E3 trailer doesn't have as many views as Forces and Mania videos, it's a spin-off, I know, Mario & Sonic series has been getting the same lack of hype. Though I'm gonna say that they really showed little of the game, the E3 trailer is mostly music and CGI, if they did a trailer like Crash, that shows a lot of stuff, that could create more interest perhaps.

To be fair, with a remake like Crash there is less pressure to keep some of the "cooler stuff" underwraps.  People want to see how a bunch of the game has changed from the off, whereas with a new title, you don't want to reveal literally every single course or environment before release.  I expect they want to keep at least one or two of the "zones" hidden before launch (though granted, Forces revealed all 7 environments before launch so maybe not).

Having said that, would be nice to see some gameplay footage at least of the tracks they've revealed through music uploads.

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3 hours ago, JezMM said:

To be fair, with a remake like Crash there is less pressure to keep some of the "cooler stuff" underwraps.  People want to see how a bunch of the game has changed from the off, whereas with a new title, you don't want to reveal literally every single course or environment before release.  I expect they want to keep at least one or two of the "zones" hidden before launch (though granted, Forces revealed all 7 environments before launch so maybe not).

Having said that, would be nice to see some gameplay footage at least of the tracks they've revealed through music uploads.

And the funniest part is that many still believed it couldn't be just that. Ok this isn't funny.

I'm going by the "what you see is what you get", I wouldn't be surprised if we already seen every trope and the rest of the tracks are more variations of Planet Wisp, Cool Edge, Rooftop Run, Sandopolis/Death Chamber and Seaside Hill. I mean c'mon. Sand Hill = they took the assets from Lost World's Desert Ruin, remixed Adventure's Sand Hill and called a day. That looks nothing like the Sand Hill. At the very least we're getting cool remixes and fake names. I imagine another track based on Cool Edge might get a remix of another ice zone from the past, even if the graphics don't ressemble the zone itself all that much. The Rooftop Run "road in the sky" track seen in the trailer could use a remix of Sonic Rush's "Altitude Limit" or Sonic Unleashed's "Tornado to Spagonia" for example.

I'm holding my breath for an Ice Cap Zone remix tho'.

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The only big things that might get my attention for this game are the story and maybe the last mysterious character that Sega makes such a big deal about it. With the last remaining zone themes... I'm not sure... we already have urban/sky theme with Rooftop Run, an ocean theme with Seaside Hill, a desert/haunted theme with Sandolopis, an ice theme with Cool Edge and with Planet Whip we have a nature/forest theme.

The two most likely ones are casino theme and a space theme. My guesses would be Casino Park from Sonic Heroes and Death Egg. 

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That version of YCDA is great, mostly because it has the Richard Jacques vibe. Probably the best thing he's done in ages, he's been pretty shaky over the last 5 years or so.

But the game doesn't look great so far, but maybe it'll look better after some polish?

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10 hours ago, Jango said:

And the funniest part is that many still believed it couldn't be just that. Ok this isn't funny.

I'm going by the "what you see is what you get", I wouldn't be surprised if we already seen every trope and the rest of the tracks are more variations of Planet Wisp, Cool Edge, Rooftop Run, Sandopolis/Death Chamber and Seaside Hill. I mean c'mon. Sand Hill = they took the assets from Lost World's Desert Ruin, remixed Adventure's Sand Hill and called a day. That looks nothing like the Sand Hill. At the very least we're getting cool remixes and fake names. I imagine another track based on Cool Edge might get a remix of another ice zone from the past, even if the graphics don't ressemble the zone itself all that much. The Rooftop Run "road in the sky" track seen in the trailer could use a remix of Sonic Rush's "Altitude Limit" or Sonic Unleashed's "Tornado to Spagonia" for example.

I'm holding my breath for an Ice Cap Zone remix tho'.

I'm 90% sure it's been confirmed that we're getting 7 "zones" with 3 tracks each, but the only tracks we've seen more than one track from is Sandopolis and Seaside Hill.  It's still a bit up in the air as to how much variety there'll be in the tracks, but the assumption is that there will be significant asset re-use between them all - however the MUSIC for said tracks will remix various themes from that "genre" of zone.  Sand Hill may be the remix of choice, but the name of the TRACK is Sand Road, remember, and like Boo's House, it is set in the same zone - which is either Sandopolis or just a generic desert location.  Think of the soundtrack in the same way as how Windy Valley Act 3 used Green Grove's music in Sonic Adventure - it's just music.  Windy Valley Act 3 is not meant to be Green Grove, likewise, Sand Road in TSR is not meant to be Sand Hill.

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And I'm totally fine with that, never expected a Sand Hill remix of all possibilities. I'm glad they're doing this, it adds variety at least somewhere. If they bring the Death Egg, I hope they do a remix of the actual Sonic & Knuckles' song or remix of the Egg Gate music from Sonic Forces, that one is sick.

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On 1/10/2019 at 7:01 PM, LukA8 said:

Transformed's track design was amazing, and even without the boat section Ocean View is easily more interesting than what we've seen of TSR's original tracks. I hope they'll at least tie the Egg Kraken into the race somehow.

Seaside Hill being its own zone however means there will be a third track, new or recycled, and that at LEAST the trio of Casino Park or Final Fortress will come back as well, making for the full stage selection and showing just how low-budget this project is. The Eggman zone pretty much has to be Final Fortress at this point, tied to Death Egg and maybe a returning Starlight Carnival if we're lucky. Let's pray the missing zone is not triple Casino Park, or they at least use its assets for an amusement theme including Twinkle Park.

Egg Kraken?

4 hours ago, Rowl said:

The only big thing that might get my attention for this game are the story and maybe the last mysterious character that Sega makes such a big deal about it. With the last remaining zone themes... I'm not sure... we already have urban/sky theme with Rooftop Run, an ocean theme with Seaside Hill, a desert/haunted theme with Sandolopis, an ice theme with Cool Edge and with Planet Whip we have a nature/forest theme.

What's the deal with this mystery character?

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2 hours ago, JezMM said:

I'm 90% sure it's been confirmed that we're getting 7 "zones" with 3 tracks each, but the only tracks we've seen more than one track from is Sandopolis and Seaside Hill.  It's still a bit up in the air as to how much variety there'll be in the tracks, but the assumption is that there will be significant asset re-use between them all - however the MUSIC for said tracks will remix various themes from that "genre" of zone.  Sand Hill may be the remix of choice, but the name of the TRACK is Sand Road, remember, and like Boo's House, it is set in the same zone - which is either Sandopolis or just a generic desert location.  Think of the soundtrack in the same way as how Windy Hill Act 3 used Green Grove's music in Sonic Adventure - it's just music.  Windy Hill Act 3 is not meant to be Green Grove, likewise, Sand Road in TSR is not meant to be Sand Hill.

Same deal with track names. Ice Mountain in TSR is likely not the Ice Mountain of Advance 1. The Sand Hill Connection is more feasible by both stages being in the same general location, but Holoska’s pretty far removed from Angel Island.

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7 hours ago, DabigRG said:

What's the deal with this mystery character?

There isn't really a mystery character.  Sega has unofficially revealed Eggman and Metal Sonic by allowing them to be seen in footage, but hasn't revealed them officially yet; while the third member of what's probably called Team Eggman hasn't been seen at all.  This is something else which was almost certainly meant to be revealed ages ago but was pushed back along with the game's release date.  Mind you, a couple of preview articles appear to have let slip that it's just:

Spoiler

Orbot and Cubot.

 

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12 hours ago, FFWF said:

There isn't really a mystery character.  Sega has unofficially revealed Eggman and Metal Sonic by allowing them to be seen in footage, but hasn't revealed them officially yet; while the third member of what's probably called Team Eggman hasn't been seen at all.  This is something else which was almost certainly meant to be revealed ages ago but was pushed back along with the game's release date.  Mind you, a couple of preview articles appear to have let slip that it's just:

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Orbot and Cubot.

 

Pfft, not what I was gonna say, but okay.

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On 1/11/2019 at 4:25 AM, Jack in the Snow said:

I don't think I've seen a recent Sonic game with less interest than this, mainly due to marketing, even the E3 trailer doesn't have as many views as Forces and Mania videos, it's a spin-off, I know, Mario & Sonic series has been getting the same lack of hype. Though I'm gonna say that they really showed little of the game, the E3 trailer is mostly music and CGI, if they did a trailer like Crash, that shows a lot of stuff, that could create more interest perhaps.

There was no way that trailer was going to get as many views as Forces or Mania regardless considering the nature of those games compared to this one. That said, it's hard to deny at this point that the marketing for this game hasn't been very good at all. You can only generate so much hype with nostalgic remixes. 

It's feeling very much like a repeat of the lead up to Sonic Forces. Everyone complained about how little they were showing and the reason was because there wasn't much to show. The only zones we weren't shown when Forces actually came out turned out to be Metropolis and the Eggman Empire Fortress which still shocks me. And here it's pretty much the same deal. 7 Zones with 3 variations of the same location yet again, this time using some locations from Generations that weren't already used in Forces.

It's so confusing because it's Sumo Digital. I know the team working on this game are newbies but some of these decisions still seem a bit too limiting even for that. Sometimes I just wish some higher up would come out and just be extremely honest with us. 

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1 hour ago, Dr. Detective Mike said:

7 Zones with 3 variations of the same location yet again

Wow I actually forgot about this.  And so far I believe we've only seen 4 zones? 

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5 hours ago, Dejimon11 said:

Wow I actually forgot about this.  And so far I believe we've only seen 4 zones? 

Five so far - Planet Wisp, Sandopolis, Rooftop Run, Seaside Hill and an ice stage that's yet to have a clear connection to any previous zone (the one track we've seen uses Cool Edge music but doesn't contain any visuals that evoke what make Cool Edge unique among other ice stages).

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More zones speculation and round up… including single tracks and music. It's probably the best part of the game, that and teamwork mechanics. It's just the roster that is wasted potential here.

Zone 1, Planet Wisp:

- Wisp Circuit: Planet Wisp remix, more circuit based area.

- Mother's Mountain (I think): this was hinted at in a video or something, likely includes Mother Wisp and could be a more jungle/alien planet environment.

- ???: likely a factory area, nature vs technology. Remix unknown but it could be a variation of Planet Wisp.

Zone 2, Ice Cap:

- Ice Mountain: Based on Unleashed's Holoska, ice with volcanic background. Remix is Cool Edge Day mixed with Reach for the Stars.

- ???: It could be… I think, a SA1 Ice Cap based area, with snow and an avalanche chasing you. It would be pretty awesome with a remix of Be Cool, Be Wild, Be Groovy.

- ???: Volcano/Lava area, it could be a stage mixed with Lava Reef from Sonic 3 & Knuckles or Red Mountain from Sonic Adventure. Remix is one of those.

Zone 3, Rooftop Run:

-  Market Street: Based on Generations' version of Rooftop Run, with the festival and balloons, remix is Unleashed Day's tune I believe.

- ???: Sunset sky based track, it's the Rainbow Road of this game, I think, we can see it in CGI in the E3 Trailer. Remix is totally unknown, could be anything at this point.

- ???: Unknown, it's likely Night Time Unleashed based Spagonia, with monsters and a remix of the Werehog battle jazz music.

Zone 4, Sandopolis:

- Boo's House: the earliest based zone, according to an interview, from Sonic 3 & Knuckles but with King Boom Boo, remix is Sandopolis Act 2.

- Sand Road: Daytime Sandopolis with a remix of Sand Hill from Sonic Adventure (unexpected choice).

- ???: I'm gonna say Pumkpin Hill from Sonic Adventure 2, with a remix of said zone, because of that official drawing released on Halloween which had clear TSR references.

Zone 5, Seaside Hill A.K.A. Remastered Cup:

- Whale Lagoon: From Sonic & SEGA All-Stars Racing, the first track of that game, with a Seaside Hill remix.

- Ocean View: From Sonic & All-Stars Racing Transformed, first track of that game (again); with a remix of "You can do anything".

- ???: Using the trend of recyled tracks, this could be "Ocean Ruin" a.k.a. the third Seaside Hill track of ASR. But… considering the "Ocean" in the name, I kind of doubt it. Alternatively, it could be a brand new, bonus track based on Green Hill, however this goes against what has been said in an interview that the earliest track is from Sonic 3... I'm not sure.

Zone 6, ???: (Could be a Casino based zone with multiple zones mixed in it, however this goes against that interview, again. Or… this could be a zone from Sonic Forces, I'm sure there is one in the game)

- ???: A track based on Mystic Jungle from Sonic Forces, Casino elements from the Classic Sonic stage, in fact with a remix of Casino Forest.

- ???: A track based on Mystic Jungle again, but this time the night time jungle with giant snakes etc. Remix could be Aqua Road, the Avatar stage.

- ???: A track based on Silent Forest from Sonic Lost World, which in my opinion was the best zone of that game, with a remix of said zone.

Zone 7, ???: (This is definitely a base/space zone with various bases mixed into it)

- ???: Could be Egg Hangar from ASR and Transformed, the third recycled track if Seaside Hill doesn't get "Ocean Ruin". I honestly wish the remix for this track was "Never let it go" from Sonic the Fighters.

- ???: It's probably a brand new Death Egg track, an Eggman base themed track, with references from other Eggman based from other games, remix could be a track from Sonic Forces's Death Egg, or Death Egg from Sonic 3 & Knuckles. Alternatively, it could be another Eggman Base zone entirely.

- ???: My gut feeling says the very final track of the game is based on Final Rush from Sonic Adventure 2, so the ARK and space themed zone, with possibly a remix of the VS Shadow fight of said zone.

 

I hope this post helps with the round up of zones and tracks, but also gives ideas for speculation. What do you think?

 

 

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I'd say that's about right, though if we're putting Classic's Mystic Jungle from Forces in, I'd rather the song be that snazzy Double Down tune from Lost World, especially if the track emphasises the casino in the forest angle a lot more than what the Forces stage did.

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12 hours ago, Dr. Detective Mike said:

It's so confusing because it's Sumo Digital. I know the team working on this game are newbies but some of these decisions still seem a bit too limiting even for that. Sometimes I just wish some higher up would come out and just be extremely honest with us. 

With Iizuka saying he specifically wanted a racing game that could be played with kids, it sounds like SEGA have had more input in this one. That (and a lower budget) would lead to a more limited scope than the last game. Transformed, on the other hand, definitely looked to allow Sumo much more creative freedom.

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Even though I bash the Deadly Six to the point where I made a video all about that, I guess I'm fine with Zavok being added. I would personally prefer someone like Infinite, but I suppose it makes sense since it looks like Sega wants to make the Zeti a recurring thing... or at least make Zavok recurring.

just flesh him out a bit more, pls.

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