Character and Circuit Discussion for Team Sonic Racing 🏁

[Multikaris]

3 minutes ago, Roger_van_der_weide said:

Heh, a complete celebration medley of Angel island, with even Sonic Adventure, Advance and Advance 3 elements in there.
Probably too ambitious, but that would be cute.
I suppose the closest we can get to that is Lego Dimensions, altough they put Green Hill Zone, Checmial plant zone and aquitic ruin on the otherwise entirely Sonic 3 and Knuckles themed island.

Advance 2 had Angel Island (Sky Canyon), apparently Mirage Saloon is on Angel Island, and I think it was also in the Rivals games.

[DaddlerTheDalek]

Nice to see Spagonia in this.

[Sega DogTagz]

I feel like you wouldn't need a screen displaying your two teamates pre-race if every team was pre-set. Do I need a reminder that Tails and Knux are on Sonic's side in every race?

Cautiously optimistic about being able to shuffle team rosters.

[Your Vest Friend]

Famitsu released their interview with Iizuka. Nothing really new, but the thing about the character roster does translate to "We are planning a total of 15 characters."

[jgcatindig]

    More info about the mystery character : Seems he would be the Omochao of this game. Minus the annoyance.

[Your Vest Friend]

Dengeki Online also have an interview. It's harder to decipher but seems more interesting. Notably, it says the Joypolis event will show things off that E3 didn't. 

[Red Hot Jack]

So, my track speculation...

Possible candidates:

Generations/Unleashed/Colors assets:

Planet Wisp, Rooftop Run, Chemical Plant, Sky Sanctuary, Green Hill, City Escape, Speed Highway, Seaside Hill (I'm just excluding Crisis City for Sonic '06 snobbing matters)

Lost World assets:

Windy Hill, Sky Road, Lava Mountain

All-Stars Racing series assets:

Seaside Hill (again), Casino Park, Final Fortress, Death Egg, Sky Sanctuary (again), Starlight Carnival

Forces assets:

Green Hill (desert), Chemical Plant (ice), Mystic Jungle, Death Egg (again), Metropolis and City (I'm just excluding Eggman Empire Fortress, least recognizable)

Retro & wildcards:

Casino Night, Hydrocity, Radiant Emerald, Ice Cap (Adventure), Grand Metropolis, Studiopolis

Now, my track roster prediction:

- Ages Cup -

Planet Wisp (Confirmed)

Rooftop Run (Confirmed)

City Escape

Sky Sanctuary

- Modern Cup -

Grand Metropolis

Lava Mountain

Green Hill (Desert)

Mystic Jungle

- Exclusive Cup - (brand new stages)

Cooking Valley

Digital Space

Puzzle Ruins

Special Zone

- Retro Cup -

Casino Night

Hydrocity

Death Egg

Radiant Emerald

- Second Chance Cup -

Planet Wisp #2

Cooking Valley #2

Casino Night #2

Green Hill (Desert) #2

It's 16 tracks plus 4 potential tracks that reuse the same assets, I didn't add anything from Mania based on what they said, there is no cross promotion with that game, I made a cup from Generations assets, a cup from modern games, a brand new one as confirmed by Iizuka, it seems like every new game has just 4 new zones, so... plus a Retro cup that doesn't reutilize assets from modern titles. I think it's even too generous and optimistic, the worst I'm expecting is like Free Riders, just 8 zones, 4 old and 4 new, with 16 tracks in total, 2 tracks for each zone.

[LukA8]

I've been thinking a little about what Ultimate themes the other characters could get. Sonic seems to have an arrangement of Reach for the Stars, Tails has Believe in Myself, and I think I've heard Unknown from M.E. for Knuckles? Some of the other characters are more difficult.

Shadow has like a dozen themes to choose from, but All-Stars gave him the instrumental for All Hail Shadow. I couldn't make out Rouge's theme in the preview sadly, but other than Fly in the Freedom I think some of her SA2 stage themes fit her perfectly, especially I'm a Spy (Security Hall). Omega has no individual song, but I'd say give him This Machine, Team Dark's theme.

Eggman had E.G.G.M.A.N in All-Stars while Amy had My Sweet Passion, but Follow Me would be a refreshing change from I'm a Stalker. Or maybe Twinkle Park?

"Team Chaotix" will probably go to Vector unless each character gets a different part of the song, but I can't even imagine the song without lyrics! What else could Espio and Charmy get? Espio had Balloon Park in Mario&Sonic, but I wouldn't say it fit him very well. Maybe Frog Forest or another Heroes theme? Charmy on the other hand could use the Emerald Beach remix from Generations that was used in many of the VS missions, including the one were the little rascal tried to kill Classic Sonic.

Metal Sonic might reuse his Sonic 4 theme, give the Egg Pawns Egg Fleet or What U Need from Rush if they end up playable. Silver has his own theme, Blaze could take anything from Rush really and Cream could use Follow Me or a remix of Leaf Forest, the first stage of Advance 2. I think that one got a remix in one of the Mario&Sonics, anyway. Lazy Days or Emerald Coast for Big, but still doubtful the last two will be in the base roster anyway.

 

 

[jgcatindig]

I'd like more of Infinite's theme if he ever makes it. Any from Bout 1 & 2 or the main will do.

Silver's most certainly going to get Dreams of an Absolution in any form, or his ost from his Gens battle. Unless he is given Crisis City.

Zavok may get his Forces boss battle ost.

For Metal, maybe his boss battles from both Mania and Forces can be an option/ingredient.

Big's surely gonna get Lazy Days.

 

 

...really wish Cream's Ult theme, if she makes it, would sound like Carmeldanssen. 

@LukA8I'd say give the Pawns Egg Gate.

Avatar; I'd prefer Park Avenue or Imperial Tower. 

Jet may get the Free Riders theme, not sure what to give the other birds.

Elise would get anything Soleanna(don't kill me pls)

 

 

I'm just really happy they still get individual themes, although there's a team aspect now in the mix.

[jgcatindig]

As for the confirmed pepes....

Rouge would certainly get Fly In The Freedom. Sonic Battle's Club Rouge would also work

Omega, I'd get him Metal Depot, again from Battle. I could consider Iron Fortress for him.

And Shadow? All Hail Shadow is a sure shot but I'd like it if they included some hints from his Sonic Battle stage, Battle Highway.

Maybe Chao Ruins for Knuckles? Would absolutely love it if they include a homage to his theme in S3&K.

Sonic and Tails have already a clear-cut theme as of now.

[Multikaris]

6 hours ago, Jack the Maniac said:

So, my track speculation...

Possible candidates:

Generations/Unleashed/Colors assets:

Planet Wisp, Rooftop Run, Chemical Plant, Sky Sanctuary, Green Hill, City Escape, Speed Highway, Seaside Hill (I'm just excluding Crisis City for Sonic '06 snobbing matters)

Lost World assets:

Windy Hill, Sky Road, Lava Mountain

All-Stars Racing series assets:

Seaside Hill (again), Casino Park, Final Fortress, Death Egg, Sky Sanctuary (again), Starlight Carnival

Forces assets:

Green Hill (desert), Chemical Plant (ice), Mystic Jungle, Death Egg (again), Metropolis and City (I'm just excluding Eggman Empire Fortress, least recognizable)

Retro & wildcards:

Casino Night, Hydrocity, Radiant Emerald, Ice Cap (Adventure), Grand Metropolis, Studiopolis

Now, my track roster prediction:

- Ages Cup -

Planet Wisp (Confirmed)

Rooftop Run (Confirmed)

City Escape

Sky Sanctuary

- Modern Cup -

Grand Metropolis

Lava Mountain

Green Hill (Desert)

Mystic Jungle

- Exclusive Cup - (brand new stages)

Cooking Valley

Digital Space

Puzzle Ruins

Special Zone

- Retro Cup -

Casino Night

Hydrocity

Death Egg

Radiant Emerald

- Second Chance Cup -

Planet Wisp #2

Cooking Valley #2

Casino Night #2

Green Hill (Desert) #2

It's 16 tracks plus 4 potential tracks that reuse the same assets, I didn't add anything from Mania based on what they said, there is no cross promotion with that game, I made a cup from Generations assets, a cup from modern games, a brand new one as confirmed by Iizuka, it seems like every new game has just 4 new zones, so... plus a Retro cup that doesn't reutilize assets from modern titles. I think it's even too generous and optimistic, the worst I'm expecting is like Free Riders, just 8 zones, 4 old and 4 new, with 16 tracks in total, 2 tracks for each zone.

Don’t forget the S4E2 (and maybe even E1) assets, along with perhaps even Storybook, Free Riders, and 06 assets. Boom assets are likely forbidden, though. 

 

And if Tangle gets in, can her theme be the first Level theme from Comix Zone, another Sonic Team IP?

[Harkofthewaa]

You know what would be a good Circuit idea? Interpret one of the zones in Sonic CD, and have each lap be a different time zone. Like you start in the present for lap 1, go the the past in lap 2, and jump to the future for lap 3. I know Sumo has done dynamic courses before ( read: all of ARST), so they could pull it off. They could even take the branching route concept that the final track in ARST had, where first place gets to pick weather everyone goes to the bad future or good future.

[jgcatindig]

9 hours ago, Miragnarok said:

 

And if Tangle gets in, can her theme be the first Level theme from Comix Zone, another Sonic Team IP?

Hopefully they tap the remixer Lil'Boulder to do that.

The theme I was talking about.  This guy was also responsible for remixing Death Egg classic and Ghost Town better than the official(imo).

[Pengi]

20 hours ago, Miragnarok said:

Don’t forget the S4E2 (and maybe even E1) assets, along with perhaps even Storybook, Free Riders, and 06 assets. Boom assets are likely forbidden, though. 

 

And if Tangle gets in, can her theme be the first Level theme from Comix Zone, another Sonic Team IP?

 

What you're saying doesn't make sense. The art assets for Sonic 4, Secret Rings, Black Knight etc. would be useless for the purposes of this 2018 racing game.

 

Comix Zone was developed by Sega Technical Institute.

[Multikaris]

17 minutes ago, Pengi said:

 

What you're saying doesn't make sense. The art assets for Sonic 4, Secret Rings, Black Knight etc. would be useless for the purposes of this 2018 racing game.

 

Comix Zone was developed by Sega Technical Institute.

Why would they be useless? They’re recent, like Unleashed. Especially Episode 2.

And STI was a division of Sonic Team.

[Blue Blood]

3 hours ago, Miragnarok said:

Why would they be useless? They’re recent, like Unleashed. Especially Episode 2.

And STI was a division of Sonic Team.

People are specifically talking about recycling in-game assets, such as models and textures. For example, Forces reused a lot of models and textures for the levels from Lost World and Generations. The in game assets of S4 wouldn't be suitable because they're of a completely different quality and style, same for the storybooks. It doesn't mean that inspirations from those games are off the cards, rather that all of the assets will have to be made from scratch.

Considering this game's artstyle and the face that it's being fronted by Sumo and not Sonic Team/SEGA, it's likely that asset reuse will be minimal anyway. The Planet Wisp track doesn't really borrow anything from the Generations or Colours outings. It's all the same base concepts, but entirely remade.

[The Deleter]

In terms of characters, I could honestly see the Babylon Rogues get a team slot this time around. Everything the PR has said about the characters is along the lines of "characters who haven't been seen/playable for a long time will appear in this game", and when the only real choices would be characters suitable for teams of 3, and likely won't be too obscure, the Rogues fit the bill pretty well.

Between the car cameos on billboards and basic likelihood, the Chaotix would be a shoe in, as well.

And I would say Amy and some combination of cream, big, blaze, or silver are guaranteed... But has Amy even been confirmed yet?

 

So overall that'd be 5 teams, rounding out to 15 characters. 4 teams guaranteed at least, imo. If there are any other teams, I don't see them happening unless there's a story-based reason, like an all-Metal type team for the antagonists.

[jgcatindig]

Question for this topic.

 

Will there ever be a pre-order team?  If so, who do you think/want it would be. 

 

I'd personally would put the Babylon Rogues as the pre-order bonus.

[jgcatindig]

With Planet Wisp, aka Wisp Circuit confirmed and Spagonia 75% confirmed,  here would be my wishlist/prediction. This may repeat things I had said in past posts. And without further adieu...

 

1. Soleanna Palace(Kingdom Valley + Soleanna castle grounds)

2. Race of the Master Emerald(various ME altar locations) 

3.Launch Base Raceway(LBZ + CG) 

4. Speed Highway(both Original and M. Gens) 

5. City Station(City Escape + Station Square) 

6. Stardust Speedway (start as Present,  Lap 2 past,  Lap 3 Bad/Good Future, depending on leader's route) 

7. Metropolitan Highway(best inspired from GT's Special Stage R5) 

8. Sweet Mountain(course made up of various sweet products) 

9. Null Space(with the phase 3 Boss as a hazard) 

10. Chemical Circuit(M. Gens, M. Forces) 

11. Arsenal Race(both Arsenal Pyramids)

12. Mortar Raceway(Mortar Canyon + that plain warzone where the rest fought the final battle)

13. Eggmanland

14. Night Babylon(Sonic Battle hub location + Bingo Highway

 

Feel free to add more and chip in on my choices.

 

 

[Red Hot Jack]

32 minutes ago, jgcatindig said:

Question for this topic.

 

Will there ever be a pre-order team?  If so, who do you think/want it would be. 

 

I'd personally would put the Babylon Rogues as the pre-order bonus.

Yes I think so, and if Big is indeed in Team Rose, a safe bet and my personal favorite idea is that team DLC pre-order is Sticks - Silver - Blaze.

[jgcatindig]

The Cups would be... 

 

Hedgehog Cup

Wisp Circuit,  Sweet Mountain,  Spagonia Raceway,  Soleanna Palace

 

Techno Cup

Metropolitan Hway,  Launch Base Raceway,  Speed Highway,  Arsenal Race

 

Timeless Cup

Chemical Circuit,  City Station,  Night Babylon, Stardust Speedway

 

Victor's Cup

Eggmanland,  Mortar Raceway,  Race of the Emerald, Null Space. 

 

Legendary Cup(1 race from each previous Cup) 

Spagonia Raceway, Launch Base Raceway,  Stardust Speedway,  Race of the Emerald

39 minutes ago, Drifting Jack said:

Yes I think so, and if Big is indeed in Team Rose, a safe bet and my personal favorite idea is that team DLC pre-order is Sticks - Silver - Blaze.

I think the cats can swap places anytime. Big relegated to DLC while Blaze gets the Team Rose slot. And vice versa, like you said.

Edited June 18, 2018 by jgcatindig
Additional details/update

[jgcatindig]

And... Anybody up for DLC cups? 

 

Here's my proposals...

 

Xtreme Cup(Riders series + Transformed stages) 

Dolphin Circuit, Babylon Gardens,  Megalo Station,  Sanctuary Falls,  Starlight Carnival

 

AGES Cup

Seaside Hill,  Shibuya Downtown,  Dream Valley, Haunted Castle(House of the Dead + Hang Castle),  Memory Raceway(a circuit full of Sonic stuff thru the years, akin to the retro Boulevards in the Riders series) 

Edited June 19, 2018 by jgcatindig
update

[Jango]

2 hours ago, jgcatindig said:

AGES Cup

Memory Raceway(a circuit full of Sonic stuff thru the years) 

Talk about a track with a lot of downhills

[Multikaris]

2 hours ago, jgcatindig said:

And... Anybody up for DLC cups? 

 

Here's my proposals...

 

Xtreme Cup(Riders series + Transformed stages) 

Dolphin Circuit, Babylon Gardens,  Megalo Station,  Sanctuary Falls,  Starlight Carnival

 

AGES Cup

Seaside Hill,  Shibuya Downtown,  Dream Valley, Haunted Castle,  Memory Raceway(a circuit full of Sonic stuff thru the years) 

Topspin Cup (R and Drift) 

Resort Island, Ice Cap, Quake Cave,  Dark Valley, Radiant Emerald

 

Perhaps console-exclusive cups? 

[Pengi]

On 6/17/2018 at 5:14 PM, Miragnarok said:

And STI was a division of Sonic Team.

No it wasn't.