Even Yuji Naka didnt want a cutesy funny Sonic

[Diogenes]

2 minutes ago, Marco9966 said:

Why though? What makes Lost World better?

Not being an utterly broken trash heap should be enough even before getting into aesthetic concerns.

[Marco9966]

Forget the bugs, I'm talking about graphics and gameplay in raw.

[Ultimate Victory 64]

5 minutes ago, Marco9966 said:

Lost World lacks speed, lacks graphics, lacks good writing, lacks consistent characterization (what the hell is up with Tails and Eggman??).

 

06 lacks speed, lacks graphics, lacks good writing, lacks consistent characterization (what the hell is up with Eggman??).*

Fixed it for ya

[Diogenes]

Just now, Marco9966 said:

Forget the bugs, I'm talking about graphics and gameplay in raw.

You don't get to pretend that the bugs and shitty design don't exist just because they're inconvenient for your argument.

[superman43]

I would say that arguing about 06 and Lost World... which one is better ? No one. You are comparing apples with bread. A rotten apple from inside out and bread that you could kill someone with. Both are just blatantly bad in what they tried. But neither is better, both are shit.

[Tracker_TD]

4 minutes ago, Marco9966 said:

Forget the bugs, I'm talking about graphics and gameplay in raw.

The bugs result in the game being nigh impossible to play at points, so no, they can't just be ignored.

Even then the other stuff I mentioned such as the physics (or lack thereof) and absolutely painful controls. 

1 minute ago, superman43 said:

I would say that arguing about 06 and Lost World... which one is better ? No one. You are comparing apples with bread. A rotten apple from inside out and bread that you could kill someone with. Both are just blatantly bad in what they tried. But neither is better, both are shit.

I hate Lost World, but at least it functions 90% of the time. Lost World is a bus with rather mouldy seats. 06 is a broken down bus with mouldy seats. And a half-eaten sandwich slathered across the windows for good measure. 

...what on earth was this analogy

Edited May 25, 2018 by Tracker_TD

[Marco9966]

At least we agree that Lost World is awful and hopefully we won't get games like Lost World in the future, as now we have two timelines and there's no need anymore to shove "classic minimalist" environments in the next modern games. And have good graphics like Forces and elaborated character design like Infinite (as awful as the story was and as awful as Classic's inclusion is, Force's graphics and environments were very good).

[Tracker_TD]

3 minutes ago, Marco9966 said:

At least hopefully we won't get games like Lost World in the future, as now we have two timelines and there's no need anymore to shove "classic minimalist" environments in the next modern games. And have good graphics like Forces and elaborated character design like Infinite (as awful as the story was and as awful as Classic's inclusion is, Force's graphics and environments were very good).

Lost World's artstyle isn't Classic, because as has been discussed over the course of this topic, the Classic artstyle isn't minimalist. Star Light is a fairly realistic city - but not in a bleak way like Crisis City or something. It's still bright and colourful and in-line with what I'd expect. Even Chemical Plant, a more industrialised plant area, does this.

Lost World's artstyle isn't really related to Classic so much as it is just a different take for a different world. At most I can say the Classic badniks got brought back but that was already happening with Colours and Generations and even then the designs take several liberties from the originals.

[Marco9966]

3 minutes ago, Tracker_TD said:

Lost World's artstyle isn't Classic, because as has been discussed over the course of this topic, the Classic artstyle isn't minimalist. Star Light is a fairly realistic city - but not in a bleak way like Crisis City or something. It's still bright and colourful and in-line with what I'd expect. Even Chemical Plant does this.

Lost World's artstyle isn't really related to Classic so much as it is just a different take for a different world. At most I can say the Classic badniks got brought back but that was already happening with Colours and Generations and even then the designs take several liberties from the originals.

No I know, Classic levels were great looking in Forces. Sonic Forces is great with environments (as was Sonic Colors)

In Lost World they stripped the environments of REALISM even more and minimalism and colorful shit got pushed in a dangerous way...

[superman43]

4 minutes ago, Tracker_TD said:

The bugs result in the game being nigh impossible to play at points, so no, they can't just be ignored.

Even then the other stuff I mentioned such as the physics (or lack thereof) and absolutely painful controls. 

I hate Lost World, but at least it functions 90% of the time. Lost World is a bus with rather mouldy seats. 06 is a broken down bus with mouldy seats. And a half-eaten sandwich slathered across the windows for good measure. 

...what on earth was this analogy

With that I wanted to say that 06 is rotten from inside - no physics, awful story (for Sonic, at least), lot of bugs and sorta.

While Lost World is rotten from outside - overall appearance not being good, levels just oddly hanging out, physics while ok, not really exciting...

That´s the difference, and that´s why you all compare incomparable. Character designs aside.

The one you choose is better is better because... I don´t know... level design, appeal to Mario games, other basically shitty thing that doesn´t even matter. In all honesty.

[Tracker_TD]

Just now, Marco9966 said:

No I know, Classic levels were great looking in Forces. Sonic Forces is great with environments (as was Sonic Colors)

In Lost World minimalism and colorful shit got pushed in a dangerous way...

The classic levels didn't really look great in Forces though. They still retain a fair chunk of the blockiness from Colours, and still mishmash in parts of LW's minamalist style. I think the Casino stage looks outright ugly with how the Casino palace assets are just mashed into the the forest background. 

[Marco9966]

I mean look at the fucking grass, it's so lazily done, anyone studying computer arts of graphic designs would puke at this, no regards to shadow, light, color theory...

This looks miles better:

 

Look at this too (forget about 2006, I'm talking about designs only):

 

[Tracker_TD]

4 minutes ago, Marco9966 said:

I mean look at the fucking grass, it's so lazily done, anyone studying computer arts of graphic designs would puke at this, no regards to shadow, light, color theory...

This looks miles better:

...honestly the grass strands just look kinda pasted onto the top of Gens' GHZ ground model in Forces. There's actually more LW-styled grass growing off the side of the GHZ ground. If anything LW's looked more consistent. 

I'm studying graphic design and my bile remains in my gallbladder. Forces perhaps looks more realistic, but in this case that doesn't necessarily mean better.

[Wraith]

3 minutes ago, Marco9966 said:

I mean look at the fucking grass, it's so lazily done, anyone studying computer arts of graphic designs would puke at this, no regards to shadow, light, color theory...

Did you go to school for graphic design and study shadow, light, and color theory?

[Marco9966]

1 minute ago, Josh said:

Did you go to school for graphic design and study shadow, light, and color theory?

Digital art is my hobby.

[Tracker_TD]

2 minutes ago, Marco9966 said:

Digital art is my hobby.

Playing games is my hobby but that doesn't mean I know how to program one. 

[superman43]

4 minutes ago, Marco9966 said:

Digital art is my hobby.

 

1 minute ago, Tracker_TD said:

Playing games is my hobby but that doesn't mean I know how to program one. 

I think we are off-topic enough.

[Marco9966]

1 minute ago, Tracker_TD said:

Playing games is my hobby but that doesn't mean I know how to program one. 

That's not our subject. That's a bit rude.

[Tracker_TD]

Just now, Marco9966 said:

That's not our subject.

 

Alright, lemme reword.

Digital art is also my hobby. That doesn't mean I'm magically trained in all fields of it just because it's my hobby, and I highly doubt you are either. 

[Marco9966]

3 minutes ago, Tracker_TD said:

Alright, lemme reword.

Digital art is also my hobby. That doesn't mean I'm magically trained in all fields of it just because it's my hobby, and I highly doubt you are either. 

No I know, I mean actually doing digital paintings and renderings and value studies, and greyscale images, indirect colorisations, direct colorisations, composition, figure drawings, photoshop skills...

not trained in all fields of course, but that's like playing guitar really good, and as hobby.

[StaticMania]

Preference is being argued...

Despite subjectivity being acknowledged, it has not stopped this line of discussion.

[Multikaris]

34 minutes ago, Ultimate Victory 64 said:

06 lacks speed, lacks graphics, lacks good writing, lacks consistent characterization (what the hell is up with Eggman??).*

Fixed it for ya

Let’s just say it applies to either extreme. Lost World is Batman and Robin, 06 is Batman Vs. Superman.

[Ultimate Victory 64]

1 minute ago, Miragnarok said:

Let’s just say it applies to either extreme. Lost World is Batman and Robin, 06 is Batman Vs. Superman.

But.....................I love Batman v Superman

[Tracker_TD]

4 minutes ago, Marco9966 said:

No I know, I mean actually doing digital paintings and renderings and value studies, and greyscale images, indirect colorisations, direct colorisations, photoshop skills...

Not just looking at images...

Yeah. I do digital paintings and all that fun stuff too. Kind of what I said, innit.

I still highly doubt you are incredibly well-trained in those fields on the basis of a hobby. At the risk of veering even further off topic, if you've got some examples I'd be glad to be proven wrong, but it seems more like you want to sound smart in the name of suiting your bias than anything. I don't see how non-descriptive Photoshop skills are relevant to the critique of LW's lighting and modelling, either.

[Multikaris]

3 minutes ago, Ultimate Victory 64 said:

But.....................I love Batman v Superman

I meant in tone, not quality. 

 

Anyhow, we should just ignore those two extremes and talk about the rest of the series.