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Even Yuji Naka didnt want a cutesy funny Sonic

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7 hours ago, WakanoBaka said:

Is it weird that 06 never really seemed that serious to me? I mean...I look at Tomb Raider and a whole lot of games that have T ratings and aren't like some great drama or soap opera.

06 was a high stakes game that I really don't see a whole lot of difference between it and a game like Sonic 1(since it's the most basic of Sonic games)

I never felt a problem with Sonic having one game that Sonic didn't crack a joke or something. Because when you think about it, Solaris/Memphilis/Iblis are probably the most dangerous villains in the Sonic series to date...imo A literal creature the was gonna return the world to nothingness.

 

Now if you wanna talk gameplay...NO. I'll leave that for my homie with the Unity remake.

Sonic 06:

>Human princess is shilled as Sonic's Most Important Girl. Not even a cartoony one.

>Ow the Edge in villain form with a ridiculously unneeded plan

>Whole game looks like Final Fantasy aping

>Sonic and Eggman play second fiddle to Shadow, Future Trunks, and Lord Edgelord

Are you for real?

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4 minutes ago, Sonic Fan J said:

Don't get me wrong, I had fun when I played the game and actually felt the narrative flowed fine. I just think that Sonic was too detached from the how the narrative was effecting everyone and it was only made worse since Sonic didn't really interact with the cast. To me, the best scene in the story was Sonic assuring Tails after everything was over. It actually showed he was aware of what was happening and subsequently made his lack of communication throughout the rest of the game that much worse. Outside of the story, the most rewarding thing to me in the game was once it returned to the new title screen and showed a single flower standing in the abandoned Resistance HQ.  That moment alone brought me back to the good ending of the original game and Sonic CD in general, overwhelming with a sense of nostalgia that reminded me why I love this series so darn much. If Sonic just would have talked to everyone more and the Avatar was provided slightly better pantomime acting I don't think any flaw the game has could have stopped me from loving it. It really is such a shame they  didn't stir the pot just a little bit .

Fair enough, I can definitely see where you're coming from. I agree about the new title screen with that flower - every time I turn the game on and see that, it makes me smile. They really did a nice job with that one little detail.

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22 hours ago, Diogenes said:

Really? You really don't see much difference between a game where a time-travelling embodiment of darkness convinces a naive idiot to go back in time and kill the hero, ostensibly because it would prevent the release of a fire demon that caused the apocalypse, but in actuality he wants to make the princess cry to release the fire demon so he can fuse with it, become a god, and destroy all of space and time...and a game where a mad scientist captures some animals and turns them into robot animals and the coolest animal has to go bop his robots to save them? 

I'm referring to the somewhat monotonousness of Sonic 1's overall tone if you aren't looking at it from a basic stand point.

Beginning point is the start of conflict, end point is good guys lose...or win(then again, using that logic it's your A-typical hero story)

All the context in between(added with usual 06 mockery and/or ppl trying to oversimplify S1) might as well be fodder and up to you to decide if you'd follow or not.

16 hours ago, Almar said:

Sonic 06:

>Human princess is shilled as Sonic's Most Important Girl. Not even a cartoony one.

>Ow the Edge in villain form with a ridiculously unneeded plan

>Whole game looks like Final Fantasy aping

>Sonic and Eggman play second fiddle to Shadow, Future Trunks, and Lord Edgelord

Are you for real?

You literally just listed half legit(3 and 4), half nitpick(1and 2) points

16 hours ago, Almar said:

Sonic 06:

>Human princess is shilled as Sonic's Most Important Girl. Not even a cartoony one.

>Ow the Edge in villain form with a ridiculously unneeded plan

>Whole game looks like Final Fantasy aping

>Sonic and Eggman play second fiddle to Shadow, Future Trunks, and Lord Edgelord

Are you for real?

You literally just listed half legit(3 and 4), half nitpick(1and 2) points

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Tell me more on how pointing out that the princess' character design is out of a totally different series compared to Sonic's and that from all evidence the villain really didn't need to bother doing anything other than just slitting her throat to accomplish his goal is just nitpicking.

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I think sonic was initially a victim of false advertising. especially in the us/uk adverts where he was portrayed as a rude and obnoxious rival to Mario. whereas he was charming, goofy, and even vulnerable in the Japanese ones.

same could be said for his box art design in the us markets vs Europe and japan.

he didn't look like your average superhero because of his cuteness; from his tiny stature, to his youthful friendly features, to the world in which he inhabits ('green hill zone'), to the soundtrack, etc. he didn't even look like your average hedgehog, with his clean lines and neat spikes.

that's why it made sense for Jaleel white to voice this young child.

if anything the 'edge' came from the difficulty of the game and the speed. not to mention his ability to curl into a ball and clear (almost) anything in his path. other than the idle animation, and the switching of the signposts at the end of each act, there wasn't much else.. he even wags his finger with a smile :) 

I've always interpreted sonic's 'attitude' to be; cheeky and a little mischievous, funny and fun loving, impatient and fast paced. however, he wasn't reckless or selfish. quite the opposite; he was responsible and put others before himself.

he didn't take himself too seriously, which is what made him refreshing and appealing to a wider demographic

 

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Naka as a lead designer is coming with a certain perspective on Sonic as relates to the industry. We don’t have that perspective sometimes. Sonic is cute compared to Batman, but has more attitude than Hello Kitty. Naka doesn’t want Sonic to be too cute. I’m also sure he didn’t want Sonic to be Batman when he made this statement. For those who take issue with Pontac & Graff’s laugh track Sonic, I’d argue the story formula hasn’t changed much since the Adventure games in terms of setup and final act. The tone of the games is intact. It’s just the lines they give characters that give us a crappy impression.

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