The Death Egg

[Mau]

I think we'll go with the most simple explanation possible: There's a giant plothole involved! We can only say that the Death Egg was a giant doomsday device capable of massive destruction...but that's all we really know for sure.

The fact that GUNN never rose up to stop it tells me that the creation of GUNN is a giant plot hole. Where was GUNN when Chaos attacked? Although I think some police force did step in at the beginning of the game, but to no avail.

[SuperStingray]

^ That is true, but remember he didn't build it on Angel Island. That's just where it landed after being blown up the first time, as its impact is what made Angel Island crash in the first place. Eggman presumably built the thing somewhere else on the actual ground (unless he built it in space?).

Damnit, Treed.

I thought he built it on Launch Base Zone. Wasn't that on Angel Island?

What about when the Death Egg originally took off?

Everyone's talking like it was constructed on Angel Island, but it wasn't- It was in space in Sonic 2. Meaning it had to have taken off from somewhere on Earth in order to get there, barring the possibility that Eggman actually built the Death Egg in outer space, which would be even more conspicuous!

Why would it have to be on Earth? Angel Island's much more convenient considering that it's closer to space and would require less energy to lift off.

[Dr. Mechano]

I thought he built it on Launch Base Zone. Wasn't that on Angel Island?

Launch Base Zone was the Death Egg's repair site. After it crashed. This was in Sonic 3.

The Death Egg debuted in Sonic 2, before the concepts of Knuckles, Angel Island, etc. were introduced in the game series. I thought this was common knowledge- Did everyone forget about the Death Egg in Sonic 2 or something?

Edited August 28, 2009 by Dr. Mechano

[Frozen Nitrogen]

As for the whole police/human reaction thing, I doubt any one actually saw the launch. I mean, the whole game (except Sky Sanctuary and Death Egg) presumably took place on Angel Island and the only real inhabitant at the time was Knuckles, so I doubt there were any cops or militia to see it launch either time in that game. Not to mention that even the ARK wasn't visible from the ground in Sonic Adventure 2, nor were there any satellites in any Sonic game. In fact, I'm pretty sure that it's possible that people didn't even know Sonic himself until Sonic Adventure 1 as I don't recall anyone ever implying they knew him until the final boss fight, or even react to the fact they're talking to a bipedal blue hedgehog. I guess anthropomorphic animals are just the norm in his universe.

Remembering (as multiple others have pointed out) that the Death Egg must have been launched from the planet's surface (or assembled in orbit, whatever) before Sonic 2, it would have been pretty much impossible for GUN (with their spysats - as mentioned in Chronicles - and general high tech) to miss the space-station's construction / orbital presence.

And because they didn't stop it, and didn't launch mechs up to it a'la the Black Comet, they must have simply been (at worst) indifferent to Robotnik's schemes at that point.

As for the ARK's visibility; why do you think they disguised it as a spherical moon beforehand if it "wasn't visible from the ground"!?

Edited August 28, 2009 by Frozen Zordon

[Dr. Mechano]

Remembering (as multiple others have pointed out) that the Death Egg must have been launched from the planet's surface (or assembled in orbit, whatever) before Sonic 2, it would have been pretty much impossible for GUN (with their spysats - as mentioned in Chronicles - and general high tech) to miss the space-station's construction / orbital presence.

And because they didn't stop it, and didn't launch mechs up to it a'la the Black Comet, they must have simply been (at worst) indifferent to Robotnik's schemes at that point.

That, or they simply depended on their convenient superhero Sonic to do the job for them.

Although... Like I said, Sonic 2's story said that Eggman "took over the cities and fatories" to assemble his Death Egg. So it's quite possible that, for a short time, Eggman overpowered the military and prevented them from striking back.

Of course, logically, if Eggman took over this much, it makes sense that he'd have already conquered the world and thusly wouldn't even NEED a Death Egg to threaten the world into surrendering to him with!

Sonic 2's plot makes my head hurt now that I've examined it closely. It's essentially "Eggman took over, so he could build a device for the express purpose of taking over."

Edited August 28, 2009 by Dr. Mechano

[Daisoku]

"Oh no! Our weapons are useless!" *moonwalks away*

This is now my new signature.

About the topic, I think it's evident that Eggman makes no sense whatsoever in Sonic 2 onwards.

[SuperStingray]

The Death Egg debuted in Sonic 2, before the concepts of Knuckles, Angel Island, etc. were introduced in the game series. I thought this was common knowledge- Did everyone forget about the Death Egg in Sonic 2 or something?

Oh, right, I was just talking about S3&K. Still, West Side Island didn't really seem anywhere near civilization either.

[Dr. Mechano]

Oh, right, I was just talking about S3&K. Still, West Side Island didn't really seem anywhere near civilization either.

Chemical Plant Zone and Casino Night Zone clearly had cities in the background.

[Patticus]

That explanation makes sense if we're talking about why no one stopped him while it was still being built, but once it was finally up in the air, you'd think there would have been more of a ruckus.

Humans (other than Robotnik) didn't exist in Sonic's world until after the Death Egg was built and destroyed twice. That's why.

[Dr. Mechano]

Humans (other than Robotnik) didn't exist in Sonic's world until after the Death Egg was built and destroyed twice. That's why.

Then how was Eggman born? I mean, assuming you're going to ignore the game story about Professor Gerald being his grandfather, which showed humans clearly existed prior to Eggman's birth.

EDIT: Oh, right, Witchcart! Witchcart was human and existed before humans began appearing as NPCs. Explain her existence too, if she and Eggman were the only ones.

Granted, Eggman having clearly-human ancestors in a clearly human-populated world makes having to make up alternate explanations for his and Witchcart's existence seem rather trite and pointless, but I'll play along with the idea just to see if anyone can explain it. Because I don't think an explanation other than "Humans have always existed, just like the games clearly said they did" will make any amount of sense whatsoever.

Edited August 28, 2009 by Dr. Mechano

[TheGerkuman]

Humans don't spontaniously appear Pat. XD

As for the Death Egg problem, maybe Robotnik built it in a place in space where the satelites can't spot it. Robotnik could easily shield his smaller ships. My brother believes that the Death Egg was like the Death Star and space colony ark, as an object of fear. I agree with him, Robotnik would try to take the easier option.

[Dr. Mechano]

I always assumed he built it in his Metropolis base. And once he launched it, Westside Island was already crawling with his Badniks anyway, so I imagine the place was in crisis already.

...Actually that might explain it. The Badnik invasion of Westside Island could have been a diversion to somehow discretely launch the Death Egg, power it up, and proceed to threaten the world with it when the time was right. Local authorities would be too busy freaking out about the robot army to notice Eggman's space station taking off.

Well, that's one theory anyway!

[Indigo Rush]

Chemical Plant Zone and Casino Night Zone clearly had cities in the b

ackground.

That, and the scrapped and controversially named Genocide City Zone.

[Sion-Ta]

From what I've read, Robotnik more or less enslaved the whole of West Island, turned them into badniks and forced them to help construct the Death Egg to take over the rest of the world... might've been negotiations with world leaders on the side to release them and such, but I really doubt they gave much thought into Sonic's world at this point. XD;

[Dr. Mechano]

From what I've read, Robotnik more or less enslaved the whole of West Island, turned them into badniks and forced them to help construct the Death Egg to take over the rest of the world... might've been negotiations with world leaders on the side to release them and such, but I really doubt they gave much thought into Sonic's world at this point. XD;

Well, the manual said he "took over the cities and factories", but there's no word on him enslaving anyone. I mean, normal non-humanized animals which were used as Badnik power sources but not literally turned into robots aside, of course.

Really. It doesn't make sense for a robotic bunny to be "turned into" a robotic bee. I think it's fairly clear that no literal transformation is happening in the games, despite the curious wording the manuals used.

Edited August 28, 2009 by Dr. Mechano

[Dave™]

Fine. I get that. But we know from Sonic 3 and onwards, her used the Master Emerald to power that thing.

But what in the world was he using the first time around?

And why didn't anything crazy happen at launch? I mean, sure, the Tornado was shot down, etc. But there was no "Obligatory Evil Villain Address to the World". What gives?

[Dr. Mechano]

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[Sion-Ta]

Well, the manual said he "took over the cities and factories", but there's no word on him enslaving anyone. I mean, normal non-humanized animals which were used as Badnik power sources but not literally turned into robots aside, of course.

Well... he uses the animals as a power source for his robots, then he controls the robots? Taking over cities and factories and turning the island's population into badniks can more or less translate into the same meaning but with different wording. I don't know, I'm just going by Wikipedia knowledge here~

[Dr. Mechano]

Well... he uses the animals as a power source for his robots, then he controls the robots? Taking over cities and factories and turning the island's population into badniks can more or less translate into the same meaning but with different wording. I don't know, I'm just going by Wikipedia knowledge here~

Well, presumably, the animals weren't the island's only citizens. I mean, the island had cities. Cities that surely had humans and/or humanized animals in them. I doubt the normal small animals that Eggman uses to power his robots built those, or built anything else for that matter.

Edited August 28, 2009 by Dr. Mechano

[Sion-Ta]

Well, presumably, the animals weren't the island's only citizens. I mean, the island had cities. Cities that surely had humans and/or humanized animals in them. I doubt the normal small animals that Eggman uses to power his robots built those, or built anything else for that matter.

We don't really know what the animals are capable of really, so it is possible they could've built those cities... at the same time, its possible there could've been humans on the island. It be a tricky subject~

[Dr. Mechano]

We don't really know what the animals are capable of really, so it is possible they could've built those cities... at the same time, its possible there could've been humans on the island. It be a tricky subject~

Well, that depends on what you mean by animals.

Animals like Sonic and Tails are functionally human. Animals like random Flickeys and such... probably aren't.

So we have humans and humanized animals, and then there's "normal" animals that lack anthropomorphic traits. Either way, Westside Island probably had more than small animals inhabiting it, with its civilizations and such.

EDIT: The fact that game Sonic has recently taken to eating chilidogs after his cartoon counterpart is (hopefully) support that normal animals aren't sentient like humanized animals are. Otherwise, eating meat in this series is an incredibly disturbing prospect.

Edited August 28, 2009 by Dr. Mechano

[Double Agent Motobug]

Well, that's easy.

"Ohohohoho!" He'd burst out, appearing on televisions across the globe, all cameras on his new beloved invention, the Death Egg. "This is my latest and greatest creation; the Death Egg! Behold! *Cheesey music cue* With this, I'll finally take over the world, Muwahahaha! Don't you try to stop me; if you even try to damage my space station, I'll use it's lasers to blow up this primative dirtball, I'm warning you!" He'd then tilt the camera back to himself, grinning childishly. "So, what'll it be, Planet Earth? Surrender your planet to me, or face destruction! I'll give you 48 hours to decide, ta-taa~"

xP Military can't touch him, for fear of having their planet blown up, but Sonic could easily enter the Death Egg by hitching a ride with Eggman on his rocket after Wing Fortress. Went by undetected, eh? :3 Eggman loves a good challenge, and probably applauded the hero for even making it this far, then instead of blowing up the planet (of course that'd be a bluff anyway), he thought he'd test out his two new weapons; Silver Sonic and that last Boss mech. Woot!

Well that's what I think could've happened. It'd make sense. xD

Edited August 28, 2009 by Pok

[FeathersMcGraw]

Animals like random Flickeys and such... probably aren't.

The animals are actually sentient, they can be seen to posses various human skills and traits in the screensaver images (flying planes, skiing, using telephones etc.), their lack of stature is an obvious design choice to differentiate them from the main NPCS and central characters, but they are anthromorphic to an extent going by various sources, as such them being able to inhabit a city (along with the bipedal animals such as Sonic etc.) wouldn't be too much of a stretch.

Simple fact is that it's open to personal interpretation, you could argue that it'd be more consistent with the fiction and atmosphere of the classic games to have a world inhabited by animals, whilst you could also argue that Eggman himself and the Gerald backstory suggest some form of human presence at the time.

Edited August 28, 2009 by FeathersMcGraw

[Dr. Mechano]

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[Dave™]

Robotnik suffer from the Batman naming syndrome.

"Egg Fleet", "Death Egg", "Egg Fighters", etc.

What's that? You made a new fortress? It's spherical? Who would have guessed it, Ivo?!