Chili Dogs

[Indigo Rush]

PS. IIRC you can actually see chili dogs in the Casino Night Zone.

I lol'd.

No, you can't. Considering Sonic 2 was developed and released before the SatAM and AoStH cartoons, it's hardly likely that DiC took that "hidden chili dog" as a cue to make it a running gag in their cartoons.

[azoo]

I lol'd.

No, you can't. Considering Sonic 2 was developed and released before the SatAM and AoStH cartoons, it's hardly likely that DiC took that "hidden chili dog" as a cue to make it a running gag in their cartoons.

Lol. I used to think that was a chilidog too. XD

Anyways, it doesn't bother me. It seemed more like a refrence to AoSTH (being the brighter and somewhat more relevant series) than SatAM. I actually like seeing Sonic eat a chilidog; it gives me ultimate AoSTH nostalgia. <3

[Daisoku]

I liked the Chilli Dog reference in SatBK. ^^ It brought back memories of me watching AoStH with my sister. I don't mind them making references, just don't overdo it.

[Rusty Spy]

PS. IIRC you can actually see chili dogs in the Casino Night Zone.

Oh yeah, I remember those. But they looked like they had mustard on them rather than chili..... and they floated in mid-air....... and you could bounce on them to get points........ so, yeah.

[nUcLeArEnVoY]

I'm okay with the Chili Dogs. At least it's some form of fan service seeing as how SEGA claims the fans like us are apparently of less pertinence than the juveniles they are catering the games towards.

I sincerely doubt they will introduce any more aspects of the Westernized portrayal into the game series. They're just Chili Dogs, it's really no big deal and if it gives an opportunity to add more character to Sonic, then I'm all for it.

[Indigo Rush]

Oh yeah, I remember those. But they looked like they had mustard on them rather than chili..... and they floated in mid-air....... and you could bounce on them to get points........ so, yeah.

I'm confused now. What are you talking about? I never saw anything that looks like a chili dog.

[Aquaslash]

I appreciate the shout-outs to the old cartoons. It always puts me at ease to see that Sonic today hasn't completely detached from it's earlier roots.

Frankly, I don't think any of us US fans should even be expected to know anything about the Japanese canon, so a nod to what we grew up with is appreciated

[Rusty Spy]

I'm confused now. What are you talking about? I never saw anything that looks like a chili dog.

[SuperStingray]

What? Those bumper things? I never once associated those with Chili Dogs or dogs of any variety.

[Marcello]

What? Those bumper things? I never once associated those with Chili Dogs or dogs of any variety.

I agree. I do kinda see it though. But if noone would have said anything iabout it, I'd have never noticed that.

[Joseppi]

Those bumper things? I never once associated those with Chili Dogs or dogs of any variety.

I never did either.

It's also funny how there is a restaurant called Sonic who no less have chili dogs. To bad they aren't that good.

[KirbyGamer91]

For me, I am cool with Sonic's love for chili dogs being used in the games. It just that I don't want Sonic Team to start using any other American elements (Such as using Swat Bots as enemies) in the games.

[SuperStingray]

I never did either.

It's also funny how there is a restaurant called Sonic who no less have chili dogs. To bad they aren't that good.

It's strange- a lot of restaurants you find everywhere else in the USA, you never find around where I live. Sonic, Arby's, Denny's, Red Robin... Edited August 30, 2009 by SuperStingray

[Aquaslash]

For me, I am cool with Sonic's love for chili dogs being used in the games. It just that I don't want Sonic Team to start using any other American elements (Such as using Swat Bots as enemies) in the games.

Other than purism, I see no valid reason to not use a swat bot as an enemy in a Sonic level.

Swatbot, Egg gunner, Egg pawn, Buzz Bomber. They all have about 2 seconds of screen time before they get a face full of homing attack, so what's the big deal?

[Plan 9]

Other than purism, I see no valid reason to not use a swat bot as an enemy in a Sonic level.

Swatbot, Egg gunner, Egg pawn, Buzz Bomber. They all have about 2 seconds of screen time before they get a face full of homing attack, so what's the big deal?

Ha, too true. It doesn't matter what the hell they look like. They can look like John Stamos for all I care. As long as you run fast and kick ass at the same time I'm fine.

[Rusty Spy]

It's strange- a lot of restaurants you find everywhere else in the USA, you never find around where I live. Sonic, Arby's, Denny's, Red Robin...

I know, amirite! Good thing I happened to stumble upon a Sonic restaurant during my vacation in Florida.

Other than purism, I see no valid reason to not use a swat bot as an enemy in a Sonic level.

Swatbot, Egg gunner, Egg pawn, Buzz Bomber. They all have about 2 seconds of screen time before they get a face full of homing attack, so what's the big deal?

Well to be honest, the SWAT Bots were just so...... generic. I'd take the Egg Pawns from Heroes over them any day of the week.

Not to mention hearing SWAT Bot always makes me think of this:

Edited August 30, 2009 by VirgoTheCougar

[azoo]

I have a Sonic near where my dad lives, so I could eat there every other weekend if I wanted. =P

[batson]

Needless to say it is the American/European translation that I have seen take this image with Robotnik and run with it, and thankfully it is no more in the games or with anything else for the matter.

The Sonic series was supposed to have an environmentalist theme all along. Yes, even by the original Japanese developers. As stated on Wikipedia: (yes, with references)

In creating the "bad guy" for the Sonic series, the development team wanted a character who was "the opposite of Sonic;" a character who represented "machinery" and "development" to play on the then-growing debate between developers and environmentalists.

So yeah.

Really, it kinda annoys me how many fans seem to dismiss certain themes and elements of 90's Sonic that isn't part of the series anymore as something that was "never actually there to begin with" because it was supposedly "invented by western marketing" when it was in fact intended by the Japanese creators all along. The environmentalist theme of the series is one example of this and Sonic's edgyness and attitude is another. Much like Sonic was intended to come of as cool and edgy from the begining (the basic idea behind the character was that he would be a mascot with more attitude than Mario) so was the series always intended to have a "technology vs nature" theme. Just because Sonic hasn't really been marketed as a particulary "edgy" character since the Japanese version of Sonic became the international one in Sonic Adventure or that the old environmentalist theme hasn't been given much emphasis since then doesn't mean that those things went away because they were only ever part of the western interpretation of Sonic to begin with. No, they were part of the older Japanese version as well, it's just that for whatever resaon, Sega decided to do away with them. Saying that they were never actually a part of the "true" Japanese version of Sonic in the first place is just history-revisionism.

Edited August 30, 2009 by batson

[Greg the Fancat]

The Sonic series was supposed to have an environmentalist theme all along. Yes, even by the original Japanese developers. As stated on Wikipedia: (yes, with references)

In creating the "bad guy" for the Sonic series, the development team wanted a character who was "the opposite of Sonic;" a character who represented "machinery" and "development" to play on the then-growing debate between developers and environmentalists.

So yeah.

Really, it kinda annoys me how many fans seem to dismiss certain themes and elements of 90's Sonic that isn't part of the series anymore as something that was "never actually there to begin with" because it was supposedly "invented by western marketing" when it was in fact intended by the Japanese creators all along. The environmentalist theme of the series is one example of this and Sonic's edgyness and attitude is another. Much like Sonic was intended to come of as cool and edgy from the begining (the basic idea behind the character was that he would be a mascot with more attitude than Mario) so was the series always intended to have a "technology vs nature" theme. Just because Sonic hasn't really been marketed as a particulary "edgy" character since the Japanese version of Sonic became the international one in Sonic Adventure or that the old environmentalist theme hasn't been given much emphasis since then doesn't mean that those things went away because they were only ever part of the western interpretation of Sonic to begin with. No, they were part of the older Japanese version as well, it's just that for whatever resaon, Sega decided to do away with them. Saying that they were never actually a part of the "true" Japanese version of Sonic in the first place is just history-revisionism.

You win the topic.

Proof of what I've had going on in my mind for what seems like forever now. SatAM took the original ideas and built upon them. Simple as that.

[redmenace]

I lol'd.

No, you can't. Considering Sonic 2 was developed and released before the SatAM and AoStH cartoons, it's hardly likely that DiC took that "hidden chili dog" as a cue to make it a running gag in their cartoons.

I doubt DIC ever looked at the games since Tails is brown. They may have been colour blind though.

The Sonic series was supposed to have an environmentalist theme all along. Yes, even by the original Japanese developers. As stated on Wikipedia: (yes, with references)

In creating the "bad guy" for the Sonic series, the development team wanted a character who was "the opposite of Sonic;" a character who represented "machinery" and "development" to play on the then-growing debate between developers and environmentalists.

So yeah.

Really, it kinda annoys me how many fans seem to dismiss certain themes and elements of 90's Sonic that isn't part of the series anymore as something that was "never actually there to begin with" because it was supposedly "invented by western marketing" when it was in fact intended by the Japanese creators all along. The environmentalist theme of the series is one example of this and Sonic's edgyness and attitude is another. Much like Sonic was intended to come of as cool and edgy from the begining (the basic idea behind the character was that he would be a mascot with more attitude than Mario) so was the series always intended to have a "technology vs nature" theme. Just because Sonic hasn't really been marketed as a particulary "edgy" character since the Japanese version of Sonic became the international one in Sonic Adventure or that the old environmentalist theme hasn't been given much emphasis since then doesn't mean that those things went away because they were only ever part of the western interpretation of Sonic to begin with. No, they were part of the older Japanese version as well, it's just that for whatever resaon, Sega decided to do away with them. Saying that they were never actually a part of the "true" Japanese version of Sonic in the first place is just history-revisionism.

Pft wikipedia, and besides, sources always get mistranslated wiki or not. If this was true how can we explain highly technologic hubs like Spring Yard or Starlight? I'd say the message was, it should never be taken as far as this, not against technology as a principle. Doens't explain anything and clases with the mentioned zones, along with Sonic 2 and CD (especially the future scenarios) and Sonic's biplane. Very hypocrite otherwise.

Edited August 30, 2009 by redmenace

[Arrow]

The Sonic series was supposed to have an environmentalist theme all along. Yes, even by the original Japanese developers. As stated on Wikipedia: (yes, with references)

In creating the "bad guy" for the Sonic series, the development team wanted a character who was "the opposite of Sonic;" a character who represented "machinery" and "development" to play on the then-growing debate between developers and environmentalists.

So yeah.

Really, it kinda annoys me how many fans seem to dismiss certain themes and elements of 90's Sonic that isn't part of the series anymore as something that was "never actually there to begin with" because it was supposedly "invented by western marketing" when it was in fact intended by the Japanese creators all along. The environmentalist theme of the series is one example of this and Sonic's edgyness and attitude is another. Much like Sonic was intended to come of as cool and edgy from the begining (the basic idea behind the character was that he would be a mascot with more attitude than Mario) so was the series always intended to have a "technology vs nature" theme. Just because Sonic hasn't really been marketed as a particulary "edgy" character since the Japanese version of Sonic became the international one in Sonic Adventure or that the old environmentalist theme hasn't been given much emphasis since then doesn't mean that those things went away because they were only ever part of the western interpretation of Sonic to begin with. No, they were part of the older Japanese version as well, it's just that for whatever resaon, Sega decided to do away with them. Saying that they were never actually a part of the "true" Japanese version of Sonic in the first place is just history-revisionism.

Wow, so what Mechano wrongly assumed I was saying and criticised me for turns out to be in part truth?

Awesome. I'm right even when I don't mean to be.

[mikeblastdude]

It's also funny how there is a restaurant called Sonic who no less have chili dogs.

Haha, I go there to get chili dogs all the time. Just to say I'm eating a chili dog at Sonic. XD Do you think maybe someone involved in the cartoons was a fan of the restaurant and their chili dogs, and the whole chili dogs thing was put in maybe as a homage or something? Doubtful, but you never know, heh.

[Toby]

In the Fleetway comic, his favorite food was cheeseburgers. That would seem more like a homage to me in a way.

[Indigo Rush]

Chili dogs seems more unique to a specific character. Bugs Bunny has his carrots, Mario has his mushrooms, Sonic's favorite food is chili dogs. I really don't mind this.

[Eternal EX]

But atleast in Mario, his mushrooms are useful. In sonic, his chili dogs do nothing....well up until unleashed where you was able to buy them to help level your self up and get an achievement.