Sonic the Hedgehog 4

[brobotnik]

Wow, if that "Intro" turns out to be legit in the morning I'm going to be very surprised. It reads like a SEGA intern cranked it out in one draft during his lunch hour using only Wikipedia.

And, at times, the grammatical errors and rambling tone remind me of the video I've had sitting in my profile since I signed up here:

(As an additional service,

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[HunterTSF]

I think it's hilarious that people still complain about the use of the name "Eggman" when referring to the Death Egg saga. Y'know, the one that introduced Eggrobo? It's so pathetic it's funny.

Anywho, Sonic the Hedgehog 4 certainly looks to be interesting - but I simply can't get past the fact that Eggman's current generation jacket may pose a continuity threat to any game released between Sonic & Knuckles to Sonic Adventure. His jacket was given a proper introduction in Sonic Pocket Adventure, in which he changed his outfit just in time to coincide with the final boss fights.

However, come to think of it, none of those games released in that time period were even created by Sonic Team in the first place...

Sonic & Tails 2 - Aspect

Sonic Drift 2 - Sega of Japan

Chaotix - Sega of Japan

Tails' Skypatrol - Jims & JSH

Tails Adventures - Aspect

Sonic Labyrinth - SIMS & Minato Giken

Sonic the Fighters - Sega AM2

Sonic 3D: Flickies' Island - Traveller's Tales

G Sonic - Aspect

Sonic R - Traveller's Tales

...so if we were to abide by the Sonic Team continuity, there's a gaping 4 year hole chock full of possibilities just waiting to be explored! 'Tis a shame that this may possibly nullify Fang, Heavy & Bomb, Witchcart's armada, the Battle Kukku Empire, Bean & Bark, Flickies Island, and Tails Doll & Metal Knuckles from existance, though...

On second thought, that makes perfect sense as to why we haven't seen them. They're not part of the Sonic Team canon. Iizuka stated that the Team Chaotix introduced in Sonic Heroes was completely different from the characters featured in Chaotix for a reason - they weren't Sonic Team's creations. This may possibly be the case for the rest of the elements featured in those games, as well.

Now the death egg saga isn't exclusive to good games.

The Death Egg saga was re-introduced back in 2003 with Sonic Battle. That arc's been tainted for quite a while now.

Edited February 5, 2010 by HunterTSF

[Phos]

Angel Island is still on the water until the end of Sonic's story. It's in the air at the start of Knuckles's story. Sega messed up.

I think it's hilarious that people still complain about the use of the name "Eggman" when referring to the Death Egg saga. Y'know, the one that introduced Eggrobo? It's so pathetic it's funny.

If Robotnik wants to call himself Eggman he can, but I don't see any reason why Sonic should want to call him that.

Edited February 5, 2010 by Phos

[Agent York]

For the whole debate, me and a friend just had a long convo about Sonic 3 & Knuckles story. Also why Mecha Sonic from Sonic Adventure may appear and more.

[10:51:00 PM] Ryan: you think Silver Sonic will be in this

[10:51:17 PM] Kyle Boyle: I think Eggman might throw all he's got at him

[10:51:21 PM] Ryan: I say Silver Sonic because it seems like they think it's important to mention his appearence in Sonic 2, but not Sonic 3 & Knuckles.

[10:52:14 PM] Ryan: They mention Eggrobo, Death Egg, Mecha Sonic (from Sonic 2, Silver Sonic), Badniks... I actually think that's a hint

[10:52:21 PM] Ryan: they mention things that are important.

[10:52:48 PM] Kyle Boyle: so silver sonic is mecha sonic's former?

[10:52:53 PM] Kyle Boyle: its the same thing?

[10:53:01 PM] Ryan: Apparently, though I have thought about this

[10:53:12 PM] Ryan: Is Silver Sonic related to Metal Sonic? Or related to Mecha Sonic?

[10:53:17 PM] Ryan: Is Silver Sonic Mecha Sonic's beta?

[10:53:26 PM] Ryan: Are all the robots stand-alone bots?

[10:53:31 PM] Kyle Boyle: I always thought that Silver Sonic was Metal Sonic's beta

[10:53:35 PM] Ryan: Are they all connected?

[10:53:44 PM] Kyle Boyle: and Mecha Sonic was an upgraded Metal Sonic, but failied

[10:53:48 PM] Kyle Boyle: maybe im wrong

[10:53:52 PM] Kyle Boyle: maybe thats this game's plot?

[10:53:54 PM] Ryan: And I agree with that, I thought about it for a while and also determind that was the most logical outcome

[10:54:03 PM] Kyle Boyle: yeah

[10:54:13 PM] Ryan: ...So you think Mecha Sonic may appear in this but not Metal Sonic?

[10:54:24 PM] Kyle Boyle: Yes.

[10:54:30 PM] Ryan: To be fair, Metal Sonic never appeared in the Sonic the HEdgehog series.

[10:54:31 PM] Kyle Boyle: Because Metal Sonic appears again in Sonic Heroes

[10:54:39 PM] Ryan: True...

[10:54:41 PM] Kyle Boyle: Yeah you're right...

[10:54:46 PM] Kyle Boyle: they really need to tie this up.

[10:54:55 PM] Kyle Boyle: cuz sonic cd is the only game he appeared in really...

[10:55:02 PM] Kyle Boyle: and then out of no where we see him in DX

[10:55:08 PM] Kyle Boyle: amy does talk about him in the cutscene

[10:55:11 PM] Kyle Boyle: well no she doesnt

[10:55:13 PM] Kyle Boyle: but it shows him

[10:55:27 PM] Ryan: Of course, CD introduced her and Metal.

[10:55:40 PM] Ryan: But Metal appeared mainly in CD and spin-off games back i nthe day

[10:55:48 PM] Kyle Boyle: Yeah.

[10:56:46 PM] Ryan: Sonic CD, Triple Trouble, Sonic the Fighters, Sonic Drift 2, made a cameo in Sonic Adventure, cameo in Sonic Adventure 2, then returned in Sonic Heroes, and has appeared in Sonic rivals 1 and 2 since.

[10:57:19 PM] Kyle Boyle: yeah he become a main character

[10:57:21 PM] Kyle Boyle: which is weird.

[10:57:58 PM] Ryan: Though Mecha Sonicappeared in... WAIT

[10:57:59 PM] Ryan: WAIT

[10:58:02 PM] Ryan: KYLe

[10:58:10 PM] Ryan: THAT WEIRD MECHA SONIC IN SONIC ADVENTURE... IN THE TUBE

[10:58:12 PM] Ryan: WE COULD FIGHT THAT

[10:58:18 PM] Ryan: IT COULD HAVE PURPOSE

[10:58:33 PM] Kyle Boyle: YES

[10:58:37 PM] Kyle Boyle: i know where u are going with this

[10:58:42 PM] Kyle Boyle: Mecha Sonic will get an upgrade.

[10:59:25 PM] Ryan: And yes, look like the darker, orange-eyed version seen in Sonic Adventure.

[10:59:31 PM] Kyle Boyle: yeah

[10:59:41 PM | Edited 10:59:55 PM] Ryan: Which anyways actually MATCHES with the tech-style this game is giving the Badniks

[11:00:13 PM] Kyle Boyle: it does =0

[11:00:25 PM] Kyle Boyle: IMPROVES

[11:00:27 PM] Kyle Boyle: RYAN

[11:00:32 PM] Kyle Boyle: eggman IMPROVES his design

[11:00:38 PM] Kyle Boyle: we are confirming things ryan!

[11:00:40 PM] Kyle Boyle: =0

[11:00:53 PM] Ryan: Yes, improving because this game Eggman has RAGE

[11:01:01 PM] Kyle Boyle: yes.

[11:01:14 PM] Ryan: And his rage leads him to make his things deadlier and take his personal thought out "best ideas" to kill Sonic.

[11:01:17 PM] Ryan: There is probably more

[11:01:23 PM] Ryan: But that's what we know right now

[11:01:39 PM] Ryan: Because I highly doubt that story could be split into episodes

[11:01:53 PM] Ryan: That's probably the begining basis of the story but something or another probably also plays part

[11:02:12 PM] Ryan: Be it one of his inventions, something in the ending, or just anything really.

[11:02:19 PM] Kyle Boyle: You think there will be 3 separate stories?

[11:02:24 PM] Kyle Boyle: Idk...cuz they are all titled sonic 4.

[11:02:46 PM] Ryan: I still have the feeling it'll be lock-on and the future episodes will introduce Tails and Knuckles

[11:02:56 PM] Kyle Boyle: Yes.

[11:03:37 PM] Ryan: Not only are they mentioned in the story, not only are they important, not only are they the classic playable characters, but a lot of fans would be pleased if they added Tails and Knuckles i nthe later episodes and then you can go back from the begining as them and play as them.

[11:04:15 PM] Kyle Boyle: yeah but i wonder how it would affect the story...

[11:04:24 PM] Kyle Boyle: cuz playing as knuckles was completely different.

[11:04:30 PM] Kyle Boyle: tails wasn't too different at all really...

[11:04:33 PM] Kyle Boyle: so i guess they could do him.

[11:04:56 PM] Ryan: It was, and that's what made it interesting. Or since this is Sonic 4, they could go and make it that Sonic, Tails, and Knuckles all have different stories.

[11:05:17 PM] Ryan: Like Sonic story is the basis, maybe Tails story happens first, Knuckles happens later, and the stages are seperate.

[11:05:28 PM] Ryan: Knuckles story after all is evident takes place AFTER Sonic and Tails.

[11:06:13 PM] Kyle Boyle: well thats what confused me though...

[11:06:16 PM] Kyle Boyle: it couldnt have been after sonic and tails

[11:06:26 PM] Kyle Boyle: cuz then sonic would have been in sky sanctuary

[11:06:35 PM] Kyle Boyle: i honestly think they made a mistake with knuckles in sonic 3 and knuckles

[11:06:40 PM] Kyle Boyle: they should have made it to where you fought sonic

[11:06:46 PM] Kyle Boyle: and all that, you know?

[11:06:58 PM] Ryan: I think it's kinda' at the same time, but afterward.

[11:07:14 PM] Ryan: Actually... Hmn... If I wantedto be technical, where Knuckles is panting.

[11:07:21 PM] Kyle Boyle: but if it was at around the same time, then why wouldn't you fight sonic and tails?

[11:07:31 PM] Kyle Boyle: i mean...

[11:07:31 PM] Kyle Boyle: OH

[11:07:34 PM] Ryan: Maybe after that Knuckles relaxes in Mushroom Hill... Well why would he relax when Eggman has the Master emerald...

[11:07:34 PM] Kyle Boyle: i know where ur going with this

[11:07:37 PM] Kyle Boyle: RELAX

[11:07:42 PM] Kyle Boyle: exactly what i was going to say

[11:07:54 PM] Kyle Boyle: maybe he went to relax after all that....yeah.

[11:08:14 PM] Ryan: That makes since... MAKES MORE SENSE since that's also when Eggman releases all the Eggrobos.

[11:08:15 PM] Kyle Boyle: What about sonic 3 and knuckles?

[11:08:21 PM] Kyle Boyle: knuckles starting at the beginning of sonic 3?

[11:09:12 PM] Ryan: Hmn... The problem with that is that Sonic 3, Knuckles doesn't have much of a story. I think it's basically the same story as Sonic & Knuckles assumingly except he starts off at Angel Island instead of Mushroom Hill.

[11:09:38 PM] Ryan: Since the whole Sonic 3 story for Knuckles is completely different, but he's still fighting Eggrobo and nothing really big happens until Launch Base.

[11:09:54 PM] Kyle Boyle: Yeah.

[11:10:00 PM] Ryan: Wait... I forget... Does nuckles Launch Base have Death Egg in the background...?

[11:10:04 PM] Kyle Boyle: Well I guess there's 2 stories, and you can choose.

[11:10:08 PM] Ryan: If so that could be troublesome.

[11:10:14 PM] Kyle Boyle: I don't think so.

[11:10:17 PM] Kyle Boyle: Let me check.

[11:11:59 PM] Ryan: Watching and so far so good

[11:12:03 PM] Ryan: I don't see Death egg there.

[11:12:04 PM] Kyle Boyle: i love sega...

[11:12:09 PM] Kyle Boyle: they didn't screw up at all

[11:12:16 PM] Ryan: I do too, I'm happy they paid attention to that. XD

[11:12:19 PM] Kyle Boyle: they did GREAT with sonic 3 and knuckles...

[11:12:29 PM] Ryan: Funny thing is I never noticed.

[11:12:45 PM] Kyle Boyle: so it really is after sonic and everyone beat him?

[11:13:02 PM] Kyle Boyle: oh wait

[11:13:13 PM] Ryan: I guess what makes sense is that it's after Sky Sanctuary in Sonic's story.

[11:13:15 PM] Kyle Boyle: does that mean that eggman took the master emerald again?

[11:13:30 PM] Kyle Boyle: cuz knuckles returns it to his island. not sonic.

[11:13:39 PM] Kyle Boyle: he gets saved by sonic in the end of his story

[11:14:00 PM] Kyle Boyle: or egg robo stole it

[11:14:03 PM] Kyle Boyle: or Mecha sonic stole it...

[11:14:05 PM] Ryan: Lets see if we can work this all out, we're on a role.

[11:15:25 PM] Ryan: Lets see... So Soni 3 & Knuckles tells the same thing as Sonic & Knuckles except we assume Angel Island was where the bombing happens instead of Mushroom Hill. Sonic 3 is just Knuckles getting Eggrobo.

[11:16:39 PM] Ryan: Then Mushroom Hill is about the same...

[11:16:44 PM] Ryan: But wait, in Flying Battery...

[11:16:45 PM] Ryan: Hmn...

[11:16:52 PM] Kyle Boyle: yeah

[11:16:52 PM] Kyle Boyle: you fight him

[11:16:54 PM] Kyle Boyle: weird eh?

[11:17:15 PM] Ryan: First why is Flying Battery going by Mushroom Hill again... Second is also yes, you fight Robotnik there, the only time Knuckles does.

[11:17:41 PM] Ryan: Maybe... Eggman surviving Death Egg is making his escape in Flying Battery? Maybe...

[11:17:44 PM] Kyle Boyle: Why does he fight him there?

[11:17:56 PM] Kyle Boyle: that would be awesome...

[11:17:57 PM] Kyle Boyle: i would love that.

[11:18:01 PM] Ryan: Also link to Sonic 4.

[11:18:25 PM] Ryan: Since Sonic doesn't know Eggman survived, but Knuckles coincides with Eggman there, plus would explain why the flying Battery is still flying.

[11:18:38 PM] Ryan: Though to be fair Sonic never destroyed it...

[11:18:43 PM] Ryan: So yeah, Eggman could use it.

[11:18:46 PM] Kyle Boyle: yeah he only escaped it

[11:19:01 PM] Kyle Boyle: wow that would be cool if flying battery returned as a stage

[11:19:06 PM] Kyle Boyle: and he destroys it this time around XD

[11:19:28 PM] Ryan: Would be cool... Anyways, Sandopolis happens, more Eggrobo buisiness.

[11:19:34 PM] Kyle Boyle: Yes.

[11:19:43 PM] Kyle Boyle: And Lava Reef, pretty much nothing happens there

[11:19:46 PM] Kyle Boyle: just a mini boss

[11:19:49 PM] Kyle Boyle: and ur done right?

[11:19:55 PM] Kyle Boyle: then its hidden palace where absolutely nothing happens

[11:20:06 PM] Kyle Boyle: then sky sanctuary, and mecha sonic accidentally destroys egg robo

[11:20:15 PM] Kyle Boyle: or so i thought? idk how he comes back in the credits...

[11:20:15 PM] Kyle Boyle: wait

[11:20:20 PM] Kyle Boyle: did you say hes in sonic's credits at the end?

[11:20:24 PM] Kyle Boyle: or knuckles'?

[11:20:32 PM] Ryan: Wait, Iwant to check something

[11:20:35 PM] Kyle Boyle: ok.

[11:20:42 PM] Ryan: Want to see if Death Egg is in the background of Knuckle's Lava Reef.

[11:20:47 PM] Kyle Boyle: ok.

[11:22:04 PM] Kyle Boyle: its not!

[11:22:07 PM] Kyle Boyle: and you know waht?!?!

[11:22:11 PM] Kyle Boyle: i figured something out!

[11:22:14 PM] Ryan: What?

[11:22:20 PM] Kyle Boyle: angel island started in the water for sonic's story right?

[11:22:31 PM] Kyle Boyle: and at the end, it was floating because they returned the master emerald.

[11:22:48 PM] Kyle Boyle: then at the end of knuckles' story, its still floating! just beginning to fall because there's no master emerald!

[11:22:49 PM] Kyle Boyle: someone took it again!!

[11:23:01 PM] Ryan: Yeah, that makes sense... Oh I get it!

[11:23:07 PM] Kyle Boyle: THAT is interesting

[11:23:10 PM] Kyle Boyle: i NEVER thought about that

[11:23:23 PM | Edited 11:23:47 PM] Ryan: Knuckles goes to Hidden Palace to check on the emerald, but when it's not there he goes to Sky Sanctaury and falls for Eggrobo's trap

[11:23:39 PM] Ryan: But then Mecha Sonic wasn't truly destroyed so he goes to destroy Knuckles for Robotnik

[11:23:58 PM] Ryan: That would also explain the rather pointless Hidden Palace stage

[11:24:07 PM] Ryan: It's there for story since the Master emerald isn't there.

[11:24:13 PM] Kyle Boyle: yes...

[11:24:19 PM] Kyle Boyle: man when i was little

[11:24:36 PM] Kyle Boyle: i always thought that sonic and knuckles' storylines were just different. like a choose your own ending. is knuckles or sonic the hero?

[11:24:41 PM] Kyle Boyle: but no. knuckles' story comes after.

[11:24:44 PM] Kyle Boyle: it all is clear now.

[11:25:14 PM] Kyle Boyle: Sonic had to of known of eggman's survival though...i mean, he saved knuckles.

[11:25:23 PM] Kyle Boyle: and helped return the master emerald a 2nd time.

[11:25:37 PM] Kyle Boyle: you would think knuckles would say "oh yeah, i fought eggman"

[11:25:37 PM] Kyle Boyle: or something.

[11:25:46 PM] Ryan: Or maybe not Eggman's confidence. I mean Eggman isn't there, it's two of his robots, and as it says on the site, unaware to Sonic Eggman survived.

[11:26:09 PM] Ryan: Well Knuckles isn't guilible, I mean like he doesn't bring up Eggman too much with Sonic in Adventure or Adventure 2.

[11:26:10 PM] Kyle Boyle: yeah, but knuckles fought him in flying battery

[11:26:38 PM] Ryan: I mean he could say to Sonic "Hey Sonic, Eggman tried to steal the Master Emerald and I shattered it!" in Sonic Adventure 2, but he never brings it up with him

[11:26:43 PM] Ryan: Going back to Knuckles loner thing

[11:26:52 PM] Kyle Boyle: Yeah true...

[11:27:00 PM] Kyle Boyle: I guess we could go with that.

[11:27:10 PM] Kyle Boyle: So Mecha Sonic and Egg Robo are destroyed

[11:27:17 PM] Kyle Boyle: i remember mecha sonic shattering into pieces at the end.

[11:27:22 PM] Kyle Boyle: but robotnik survives.

[11:27:27 PM] Kyle Boyle: so there will be upgrades involved more than likely.

[11:27:45 PM] Ryan: Also in Sonic Adventure when he attacks Sonic thinking he's an enemy, he never mentions Eggman met with him in a Casino and told him that stuff, Sonic finds out when Eggman announces it to him

[11:27:52 PM] Ryan: And yes, likely.

[11:28:09 PM] Kyle Boyle: I like where all of this is going.

[11:28:54 PM] Ryan: Also I could take a guess, maybe Sonic figured somethign was going down because of Mecha Sonic, every time Mecha turned super there was a bright flash of light, that might attract Sonic's attention .

[11:29:03 PM] Ryan: Or at least a good enough reason for us to settle with

[11:29:23 PM] Kyle Boyle: Yeah, I forgot about that XD Sonic comes out of no where with the tornado.

[11:29:34 PM] Kyle Boyle: Then why does he fly it and not tails?

[11:30:30 PM] Ryan: Well Sonic can fly it, that I think is more based on the fact it's called Sonic & Knuckles, kinda' like how Sonic flies it if you play as Tails in Sonic 2, and how Sonic flies it in all the Advance Endings but Sonic. Sonic flies it for Tails, Knuckles, and Amy's endings.

[11:30:52 PM] Kyle Boyle: Yeah true.

[11:31:10 PM] Kyle Boyle: I'm not even gonna try to figure out how Knuckles got involved in Sonic 2 as a story

[11:31:20 PM] Kyle Boyle: I'm just going to settle those as bonus features. just fun gameplay lol

[11:31:23 PM] Ryan: I think that's more of a bonus

[11:31:26 PM] Kyle Boyle: yeah.

[11:31:28 PM] Kyle Boyle: exactly.

[11:31:28 PM] Ryan: Kinda; like Blue Spheres.

[11:31:31 PM] Kyle Boyle: yup.

[11:32:07 PM] Ryan: I mean, you don't lock on Sonic 2 and suddenly at the end of Death Egg it goes into Mushroom Hill or anything ,that ending is tied in with the begining of Sonic's Angel island in Sonic 3.

[11:32:18 PM] Kyle Boyle: Yeah

[11:32:30 PM] Kyle Boyle: I wish Knuckles had a beginning cutscene with angel island

[11:32:33 PM] Kyle Boyle: like the bomb dropping

[11:32:34 PM] Ryan: ...XDDD I wonder what ISland Sonic 4 will take place on

[11:32:38 PM] Ryan: Sonic 1 was South Island

[11:32:43 PM] Ryan: Sonic 2 was West Island

[11:32:43 PM] Kyle Boyle: 2 was west

[11:32:46 PM] Ryan: Sonic 3 was Angel Island

[11:32:49 PM] Ryan: Yep~

[11:32:53 PM] Kyle Boyle: 4 is a new destination

[11:32:56 PM] Kyle Boyle: East? XD

[11:33:01 PM] Ryan: MAYBE! XDD

[11:33:03 PM] Kyle Boyle: =0

[11:33:20 PM] Kyle Boyle: What if Eggman's plans involves getting all 4 islands together...what if all 4 were connected at one time?

[11:33:25 PM] Kyle Boyle: im going too far into detail XDDD

[11:33:50 PM] Ryan: Yeah. XD If they did that I would be suprised but I think for now that's a bit out there. XD

[11:33:58 PM] Kyle Boyle: Yeah.

[11:34:05 PM] Ryan: For now, all we know is that it's after Knuckles ending in Sonic & Knuckjles.. .WAIT

[11:34:08 PM] Ryan: THAT MAKES SENSE

[11:34:17 PM] Ryan: Sonic is alone in Knuckles ending without Tails

[11:34:22 PM] Kyle Boyle: Yeah

[11:34:22 PM] Ryan: So he is alone at the begining of Sonic 4.

[11:34:23 PM] Kyle Boyle: HE

[11:34:24 PM] Kyle Boyle: went

[11:34:31 PM] Kyle Boyle: on an adventure without tails!

[11:34:34 PM] Kyle Boyle: there we go!

[11:34:39 PM] Kyle Boyle: man they are good

[11:34:49 PM | Edited 11:35:02 PM] Ryan: Unlike Sonic 3 & Knuckles. Where he was with Tails at the begining cause they were together at the ending of Sonic 2.

[11:34:52 PM] Kyle Boyle: there's no way this is all coincidence

[11:35:03 PM] Kyle Boyle: yeah

[HunterTSF]

For the whole debate, me and a friend just had a long convo about Sonic 3 & Knuckles story. Also why Mecha Sonic from Sonic Adventure may appear and more.

Oh dear God. This was an intentional aborted story arc. Sonic Team has been planning this for ten years! - Their only hint towards this being the miniscule cameo appearance by Mecha Sonic in Final Egg.

They intentionally gave us ten years of shitty games to make us crave a "return to their roots" title. And when they did... it would be mind-blowing.

[LunarEdge]

Is it sad that I'm mainly looking forward to this title for the music? I like how they plan to make it have the same "theme" as the old 16-bit music, just more redefined.

Edited February 5, 2010 by Lunar

[Candescence]

Oh dear God. This was an intentional aborted story arc. Sonic Team has been planning this for ten years! - Their only hint towards this being the miniscule cameo appearance by Mecha Sonic in Final Egg.

They intentionally gave us ten years of shitty games to make us crave a "return to their roots" title. And when they did... it would be mind-blowing.

Last I checked, David Xanatos wasn't the head of Sonic Team or Sega.

[Agent York]

Just a side note: The song on the Japanese site is called "XXX_S4EP1_title_screen_0202", which was obvious but just saying. Maybe I could find other songs... don't get ahead of myself. XD

[Derg]

Hey everyone, long time lurker turned poster here, I hope I get this posting thing right...( I also apologize if any of this sounds like "the same old")

I want to say that, while I prefer the classic design, I did not give my hopes up into thinking it would return in this game. I understand that people have different opinions and tastes, and that green eyes won't kill the game, it's the game play that matters. I have seen various opinions throughout the thread, some good in point, some bad in point. While we all understand that Sonic Team is going to try their best to bring out a "classic" game, there is some valid points, I would like to point out for some "understandable" reasoning.

Sonic the Hedgehog Four finally comes into the light, and unsurprisingly for what we've seen, it's generated much controversy. While there has been some "nitpicking," there has been valid points on both sides. From what we've seen so far of theme designs, I can see where a lot of people come from, it's nice to see a franchise that was almost out of its own unique elements, to see them acknowledged and returning. While this game might be well intentioned, I think Sonic Team might have at the same time shot itself in the foot. As one can see, while green hill zone, emerald hill zone, and angle island zone have the same theme, but there is an evolution in art progression and feel, Sonic Four though, looks like a combination of Green hill and emerald hill, a regression in many fan's eyes. The reuse of a "unique" level gimmick from Sonic 2 isn't really helping either...

...I'm not going to give up on the game though because of those reasons(but I WILL enter with caution, because of Sonic Teams reputation for the past few years). I want this game to succeed, I want Sonic to have a good name in the gaming community again. I would want Sonic Team to make me eat my own doubt of the quality of this game, and possibly have the most fun playing a Sonic game since the adventure series. I guess I'll give Sonic Team the most of the somewhat little optimism I have left, but I wish they named the game something else like "Sonic the Hedgehog: Tribute," if they weren't going to be entirely original when making a sequel. Although it might be a good "Sonic" game, it is so far looking to be a disappointing "Sonic 4."

TL / DR: Sonic Team probably should have named the game something else.

Edited February 5, 2010 by Derg

[Jetronic]

Btw a quicky from a conversation I had:

My friend and my self just looked at the timer on the Sonic 4 site, where the intro will be.

Anyway the timer tells me there's 10 hours left, but for my friend, there's only 8 minutes left until the intro shows up. Also he lives Romania.

[Agent York]

Hey everyone, long time lurker turned poster here, I hope I get this posting thing right...( I also apologize if any of this sounds like "the same old")

I want to say that, while I prefer the classic design, I did not give my hopes up into thinking it would return in this game. I understand that people have different opinions and tastes, and that green eyes won't kill the game, it's the game play that matters. I have seen various opinions throughout the thread, some good in point, some bad in point. While we all understand that Sonic Team is going to try their best to bring out a "classic" game, there is some valid points, I would like to point out for some "understandable" reasoning.

Sonic the Hedgehog Four finally comes into the light, and unsurprisingly for what we've seen, it's generated much controversy. While there has been some "nitpicking," there has been valid points on both sides. From what we've seen so far of theme designs, I can see where a lot of people come from, it's nice to see a franchise that was almost out of its own unique elements, to see them acknowledged and returning. While this game might be well intentioned, I think Sonic Team might have at the same time shot itself in the foot. As one can see, while green hill zone, emerald hill zone, and angle island zone have the same theme, but there is an evolution in art progression and feel, Sonic Four though, looks like a combination of Green hill and emerald hill, a regression in many fan's eyes. The reuse of a "unique" level gimmick from Sonic 2 isn't really helping either...

...I'm not going to give up on the game though because of those reasons(but I WILL enter with caution, because of Sonic Teams reputation for the past few years). I want this game to succeed, I want Sonic to have a good name in the gaming community again. I would want Sonic Team to make me eat my own doubt of the quality of this game, and possibly have the most fun playing a Sonic game since the adventure series. I guess I'll give Sonic Team the most of the somewhat little optimism I have left, but I wish they named the game something else like "Sonic the Hedgehog: Tribute," if they weren't going to be entirely original when making a sequel. Although it might be a good "Sonic" game, it is so far looking to be a disappointing "Sonic 4."

TL / DR: Sonic Team probably should have named the game something else.

I agree with most of your points, but I will say this.

It being named Sonic 4 gives it more of an air of big business. This could of been called something else, but honestly making it a direct sequel to Sonic & Knuckles and calling it Sonic 4 generates more excitement, as well as puts more weight on it to be good. Lots of people imagine Sonic 4 or have imagined Sonic 4 as something or another, now that SEGA is making it these different ideals are clashing.

This will either be the savior or suicide for Sonic in a lot of peoples eyes, many out of the regular Sonic fandom. If this game is good, it will get noticed. If it is great, it will get praised. If it is bad, or terrible, or even just average, Sonic hate will rise very quickly and many will loose confidence in the series.

This is do or die for Sonic, quite literally for a good portion of Sonic's fanbase and for the general outlook for Sonic.

Edited February 5, 2010 by Dusk The Hedgehog Keeper

[HunterTSF]

...you guise realise you can view the Intro right now just by putzing around with the tab button, rite?

[Agent York]

...you guise realise you can view the Intro right now just by putzing around with the tab button, rite?

SHHHHHHHHH

I don't want SEGA to notice so they will do it again with future updates... Ah well... Was nice for one time I guess.

[HunterTSF]

SHHHHHHHHH

I don't want SEGA to notice so they will do it again with future updates... Ah well... Was nice for one time I guess.

Oh sry. D:

By the way, that slim black rectangle in the upper-right corner is a music player. There's no music yet though.

[Patticus]

What do you mean by 'putzing about'? Give instructions please.

[Agent York]

What do you mean by 'putzing about'? Give instructions please.

Fine, fine... OK, well on the site, click the words "Game Info" with your mouse, then click Tab on your keyboard. Notice how it highlights the timer?Click Enter when the timer is highlighted. If not highlighted, keep clicking tab until the yellow highlight is around the top timer under Game Info, then press enter.

Vwa-la. Don't spread the word or else we're looking at SEGA being smarter for future updates.

Edited February 5, 2010 by Dusk The Hedgehog Keeper

[Phos]

This whole thing is really rubbing me the wrong way. Sega had a few seconds to make a first impression of the game, and what did they show? Rehashed stuff. I know all you haters are already chomping at the bit to call me a hypocrite, saying this is exactly what I wanted. It is not. I wanted to see new Badniks, new zones, and maybe even a new pattern for the cliff faces.

So many of you haters love to talk about opinions. You all have even got me doing it. Well, here's an opinion for you: putting noodlemouse in the wingtip logo was a horrible thing. Unlike all the previous crappy noodlemouse games, I can't just ignore it. They are trying to attatch this thing directly to childhood memories of mine with what is in essence a cruel parody of what I actually wanted out of this. Thanks to them putting it in the wingtip logo, that's also all I can see in noodlemouse, who I will no longer be referring to as Sonic. I no longer see it as an accurate useage of the name. Classic Sonic shouldn't even need to be a descriptor. It's not just the eyes or the massive floppy quills, or any of the other traits they glued on, it's one big mess of a whole. If you're feeling the urge to complain about this post so far, I hope you realize I am currently pouring my heart out to you. This has been eating away at me since I first saw it. I tried to ignore it, but I cannot.

I litterally recoiled when I saw the game's logo. You might as well have made continuity connecting Superman and the Mechanical Monster (you cannot begin to imagine how important this short animated movie is to me) with Superman at earths end (Superman looks like a hobo and fights a horrible facimily of batman. With a gun).

[HunterTSF]

Sonic Channel Blog announces Sonic the Hedgehog 4: Episode I.

In Engrish:

Hello everybody! !

The stars Sonikkuchannerusutaffu!

Panpakapan ♪

Today, 『SONIC THE HEDGEHOG 4 Episode Ⅰ』 opened its official website!

『SONIC THE HEDGEHOG 4 Episode Ⅰ』 the Mega Drive was released in the "Sonic the Hedgehog" from "Sonic & Knuckles" range interlaced to flow, 2D is the latest in next Sukuroruakushongemu!

16 Sonic's classic film series and will now be the emergence of years, PlayStation Network / Xbox LIVE Arcade / Wii ware in 2010, will be delivered as a download-only title this summer.

Graphics and classic beauty brought a new draw-style 2D high-speed action, please come and experience!

Delivery is scheduled for summer 2010. Until released, the color in this website please check our frequently so I will continue to publish the information.

To enjoy the latest Sonic!

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『SONIC THE HEDGEHOG 4 Episode Ⅰ official has sites

Edited February 5, 2010 by HunterTSF

[DaBatGuy]

^Use the tab key to navigate and the enter key to select.

[Patticus]

Okay cool, the story stuff makes sense until...

Sonic and Tails fly down and come across mysterious island called Angel Island. This island is floating by the power of the precious stone called Master Emerald, but now this mysterious island are dropping down to the ocean surface because the Death Egg had been falling on this island.

Who fucking wrote this shit?

[...] this humiliating defeat only serves to further Eggman's rage, and he has determined once and for all to rid himself of Sonic. Eggman revisits - and improves - the very best of his creations to defeat our spiked hero.

METAL SONIC COMEBACK?

[Agent York]

Okay cool, the story stuff makes sense until...

Who fucking wrote this shit?

METAL SONIC COMEBACK?

I personally think t may get fix'd before it's supposed to go public, I noticed they added a shot to the 6th slide, but for some reason it's of Sonic 2 though they are talking about Sonic 3 & Knuckles...

Also my personal theory:

A quick note about the particular mention of Sonic 2 "Mecha Sonic" (aka Silver Sonic). It's strange they don't mention the Sonic 3 & Knuckles Mecha Sonic so I thought about it.

Metal Sonic never appeared in the Sonic the Hedgehog series, he appeared in Sonic CD, Triple Trouble, Sonic the Fighters, Drift 2, cameo in Sonic Adventure, Cameo in Sonic Adventure 2, reappeared in Sonic Heroes, then afterward has appeared in Rivals 1 and 2.

Mecha Sonic has appeared in Sonic 2, Sonic 2 (GameGear), Sonic & Knuckles, and Sonic Adventure.

The Mecha Sonic in Sonic Adventure was in a tube, looked differently, but didn't serve a purpose. He just looked like a techier, improved version of Silver Sonic. TECHIER and IMPROVED Mecha Sonic... Doesn't that sound like the Badniks in this game?

Could Mecha Sonic from Sonic Adventure who was seen in the tube actually be given a purpose in this game?

Edited February 5, 2010 by Dusk The Hedgehog Keeper

[HunterTSF]

Who fucking wrote this shit?

The same guy who said that Sonic and Knuckles's stories in Sonic & Knuckles took place at the same time.

METAL SONIC COMEBACK?

If Mecha Sonic appears in his Sonic Adventure redesign, my mind will be blown... again! Wow. They might have been planning the entire series out all along.

I so, I would be inclined to agree with The Sniper. As in, Takashi Iizuka must be none other than David Xanatos in disguise.

EDIT: Also, WENTOS WAS RIGHT.

ANOTHER EDIT: Was Sonic World Adventure the finale of the "normal" series proper? Think about the ending. The ending pretty much....ended things. We may be prequels from here on out. 2011 anniversary game? Sonic the Hedgehog 4: Episode II.

Edited February 5, 2010 by HunterTSF

[Agent York]

HOLY FUCK, I JUST REALIZED, WENTOS PREDICTED ALL OF THIS

Someone on Sonic Retro pointed this out and I just remembered too... Remember a year ago Wentos made a post saying Sonic 4 was in production, to save the post and come back a year and a half later to prove he was right.

A year and a half from his post is July of this year, when Sonic 4 releases.

Edited February 5, 2010 by Dusk The Hedgehog Keeper

[Phos]

Read the post with Sonic in front of the Sega logo. That game never happened. I also feel that I have to mention again that his post about "four Sonic Teams" was out of date by almost a year when he wrote it.

And no, they didn't have this planned out from the start. The continuity wouldn't be so fragmented and discordiant if there was any method to this maddness. Iizuka can barely keep the story straight within a single game, much less as many as we've had.

Edited February 5, 2010 by Phos

[Remy]

METAL SONIC COMEBACK?

Death Egg, I think.