Rouge The Bat Appreciation Thread

[SnooPigu]

Oh and about Rouge loving Knuckles more because its funny, not Shadow because its to serious and dark. What? Rouge could fall in love with Shadow because of his dark and reclusive fasinates and contrasts her actively exuberate boldness. Ever heard of opposites attract? Knuckles is the one who doesnt have anything interesting to constrast Rouges constant flirting and bold nature, hes always the goofy and easy one to rile up and hes a true hero that he seems as digusted to her theivery compared to Shadow, whos more no nonsense and has stronger more refined sense of will to resist Rouges charms, which makes the attempt for Rouge more interesting to her and girls love hard cases with men that barely notice them.

This is my response to "Mephiles Disciple" she could end up with Knux, but she also has as much chances with Shadow as the media is trying to push both on to her as a love triangle as a crush.

[Kuzu]

22 minutes ago, SnooPigu said:

1. i have played all the games with rouge in them, and i have never see her act more mature than Shadow or more in control with her quirks.

2. She lead Shadow in one game, in the other shes following Shadows lead, its always Shadow that she use to support and stay direct to, not the other way around.

3. I think we have things mixed up. Shadow listens to people that benefit himz Rouges advice and orders are always disobeyed by him. Possibly why she complains he never is any fun to work with or is someone she wants to date.

I knew you were gonna take issue with that, just can't help yourself huh :V

 

To which I say, Rouge is the one who reassures Shadow about their friendship and pushes him to keep fighting Mephiles. Rouge is the one who insists for Shadow to stop pushing himself after getting injured in Sonic Battle. And I already mentioned that she mostly plays a supporting role to him, so I don't know what you're trying to argue against? And if Shadow actually listened to people, the entire plot of his game wouldn't happen. He's impulsive and tends to make pretty rash decisions, and that's fine. He doesn't need to be perfect and always make the correct decisions my dude, it's perfectly fine for Shadow to be flawed and for someone to be more mature than him. 

 

[SnooPigu]

1 minute ago, Kuzu said:

I knew you were gonna take issue with that, just can't help yourself huh :V

 

To which I say, Rouge is the one who reassures Shadow about their friendship and pushes him to keep fighting Mephiles. Rouge is the one who insists for Shadow to stop pushing himself after getting injured in Sonic Battle. And I already mentioned that she mostly plays a supporting role to him, so I don't know what you're trying to argue against? And if Shadow actually listened to people, the entire plot of his game wouldn't happen. He's impulsive and tends to make pretty rash decisions, and that's fine. He doesn't need to be perfect and always in control my dude, it's perfectly fine for Shadow to be flawed and for someone to be more mature than him. 

 

Supporting and being a consulting voice doesnt mean Rouge is better than Shadow in having a wisdom and maturity to guide Shadow, otherwise Tails would be this to Sonic even though Sonic is the leading and undisputed voice of the two.

Rouge is hell of alot more immature than Shadow when jewels or knuckles is involved, shes the one whos greed and hedonistic opportunity gets to shine where Shadow is dead set and the composed mission man.

[Kuzu]

3 minutes ago, SnooPigu said:

Supporting and being a consulting voice doesnt mean Rouge is better than Shadow in having a wisdom and maturity to guide Shadow, otherwise Tails would be this to Sonic even though Sonic is the leading and undisputed voice of the two.

Rouge is hell of alot more immature than Shadow when jewels or knuckles is involved, shes the one whos greed and hedonistic opportunity gets to shine where Shadow is dead set and the composed mission man.

Tails is younger and less experienced than Sonic dude, your comparison doesn't even work. And before you say "Oh but Shadow is 50", Shadow is chronologically 50, but is biologically just a few years old. 

And man, if the idea that Shadow isn't the most perfect, best character around really bothers you so much then that's on you and quite frankly, I don't really care. I'm so past that age where I need for my favorite characters to be the most powerful and smartest people in the room. If that's all you care about, then I honestly have no interest in talking about this with you. 

 

Rouge balances Shadow out and vice versa; she's gets him to see reason and focus on what's important, and his drive to push forward inspires her to be a better version of herself. Its not always the focus given how Sonic stories tend to be, but I find that to be a great dynamic between them and why their dynamic works. If you just want Rouge to be completely inferior to Shadow just to wank off how cool he is, then be my guest. 

[Dr. Mechano]

17 minutes ago, SnooPigu said:

Rouge is hell of alot more immature than Shadow when jewels or knuckles is involved, shes the one whos greed and hedonistic opportunity gets to shine where Shadow is dead set and the composed mission man.

I wish.

They haven't really focused on her greedy side in a while. She's just become this very straight-laced, dry hero character like every other supporting character in the series in recent years.

Actually showing her going out and stealing jewels - or at least, wanting to accumulate great wealth as a primary motivator for her actions - would be a lot of fun. That greed is part of her antihero charm, and I'd love to see it get more prominence again.

I'm not saying they need to go full Wario with her, but leaning into the "greedy thief" persona a bit more would be great.

[Kuzu]

2 minutes ago, Dr. Mechano said:

I wish.

They haven't really focused on her greedy side in a while. She's just become this very straight-laced, dry hero character like every other supporting character in the series in recent years.

Actually showing her going out and stealing jewels - or at least, wanting to accumulate great wealth as a primary motivator for her actions - would be a lot of fun. That greed is part of her antihero charm, and I'd love to see it get more prominence again.

They actually do show her acting more on her own in the comics if its any consolation. Its pretty much the only place where she gets to shine in some capacity even if she's still mostly secondary 

[SnooPigu]

15 minutes ago, Kuzu said:

Tails is younger and less experienced than Sonic dude, your comparison doesn't even work.

Tails is the only person Sonic goes for planning and strategic advice and even repremands his reckless cockiness. I refuted this by stating this is a role Rouge shares similarly with Shadow. But argue shes not his mom figure because of this.

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And before you say "Oh but Shadow is 50", Shadow is chronologically 50, but is biologically just a few years old. 

And man, if the idea that Shadow isn't the most perfect, best character around really bothers you so much then that's on you and quite frankly, I don't really care. I'm so past that age where I need for my favorite characters to be the most powerful and smartest people in the room. If that's all you care about, then I honestly have no interest in talking about this with you. 

Im not talking about Shadow in a praising light like you are stating Rouge to be, im just arguing and confused how it is baffling that shes the leading guidsnce to Shadow teen agnst phase like you think snd know she is when past material has Rouge being the childish one to Shadows maturity.

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Rouge balances Shadow out and vice versa; she's gets him to see reason and focus on what's important, and his drive to push forward inspires her to be a better version of herself.

Thats fine, but shes not the only character thst does this. Why is she the notable one that plays this to Shadow and why do you think its what Shadoe needs compared to her faults when shes the one trying to steal or flirt with someone? Who reigns her in when shes being the kid of the team?

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Its not always the focus given how Sonic stories tend to be, but I find that to be a great dynamic between them and why their dynamic works. If you just want Rouge to be completely inferior to Shadow just to wank off how cool he is, then be my guest. 

I never said they werent a good team, o just think this whole Shadow needs a mommy sister to hold him back when mostly with a few exceptions is argubly faulty, hes been the most well adjusted if not cold and heartless one.

[Kuzu]

I already literally laid out every detail on my point; you just refuse to understand how or why any other character could be better than Shadow in any capacity for whatever reason. If you can't understand even after I already explained it, then I really don't know what else to say and I honestly have no interest in getting into a fan debate over why you think Shadow is the best character ever, especially in a topic about Rouge

If you want to talk about why Shadow is awesome or amazing or better than everyone, go do it in another topic or something. 

[SBR2]

4 hours ago, SnooPigu said:

What? Shes arguably as popular as Shadow is if not more, shes certainly not treated by furry artists, modern fans, and shippers in negative way, again she overshadows(no pun intended) Shadow in being more popular to draw than Shadow in adult nsfw sites and twitter,

Speaking as someone who does indulge in the NSFW stuff I don't think how much porn she gets she really be a measure of how popular she is. I mean I've seen people draw lewd art of Marine the Raccoon and I doubt most people are clamoring for her to make a comeback.

 

4 hours ago, SnooPigu said:

Shes overrated imo, more than amy. Shes nothing without Shadow and arguably Knuckles to push their characterization and relevance.

Yeah I definitely don't agree. Rouge could very easily stand on her own and honestly just going off the Archie continuity I'd say if anything Rouge's post-reboot portrayal did more for Knuckles and Shadow than they did for her. For example her speech about freedom to Shadow in Total Eclipse showed that beyond just wanting to take the Master Emerald Rouge more just wants Knuckles to truly live his life and can't really see what guarding this big rock all day everyday does for him.

It goes a long way to showing even if she is jewel crazy Rouge isn't heartless and does care about other people. 

I really do feel like she's a way more layered character than a lot of people like to think.

[SnooPigu]

1 hour ago, SBR2 said:

Speaking as someone who does indulge in the NSFW stuff I don't think how much porn she gets she really be a measure of how popular she is. I mean I've seen people draw lewd art of Marine the Raccoon and I doubt most people are clamoring for her to make a comeback.

She does get more than Amy Rose, the main heroine. I say thst indicates how much attention her design attracts fans and thus increases her popularity by a wide margin, helll shes more popular without being with Shadoe as a staple. Alot of people also like her above even Shadow and mostly puts her being on par with the class four in how versatole she can be paired with them

1 hour ago, SBR2 said:

 

Yeah I definitely don't agree. Rouge could very easily stand on her own and honestly just going off the Archie continuity I'd say if anything Rouge's post-reboot portrayal did more for Knuckles and Shadow than they did for her.

The problem is it boosted her relevance to their characters as a dynamic thst they share mostly with her. Knuckles and Shadow both keep getting paired with Rouge out of using her as a sorta consulting main female staple to their stories to help humanize them.

1 hour ago, SBR2 said:

 

For example her speech about freedom to Shadow in Total Eclipse showed that beyond just wanting to take the Master Emerald Rouge more just wants Knuckles to truly live his life and can't really see what guarding this big rock all day everyday does for him.

So shes just an attachment to Shadow or Knuckles, why couldnt any other character be this. Shadow on Total Eclipse was to passive and depressed and Knuckles was to short sighted and insecure, of cpurse Amy could be the vocie they needed to solve their issues. Rouge didnt need to give Knux a pep talk. Nor Shadow a lesson about loyalty. But she was written to play off their characters like i said.

1 hour ago, SBR2 said:

It goes a long way to showing even if she is jewel crazy Rouge isn't heartless and does care about other people. 

I really do feel like she's a way more layered character than a lot of people like to think.

So is any other character, Rouge can be as kind and gentle and as supportive as Amy or Blaze, but it contridicts her core traits, which is why i dont like her having roles that other charavlcter already establish having.

[Mephiles' Disciple]

Hey everyone, I've read a few of the comments here and just wanted to apologize if anyone was offended by me mentioning the term SJW. To be honest I consider myself to be a leftist and agree with a lot of SJW propaganda, but the censorship/complaints of female character design in media is something that I personally cannot stand. It was not my intention to make this topic a political debate. I've edited out any mentioning of SJW in my first post. I look forward to reading more in this thread when I have the down time.

[Natie]

8 hours ago, Dr. Mechano said:

I wish.

They haven't really focused on her greedy side in a while. She's just become this very straight-laced, dry hero character like every other supporting character in the series in recent years.

Actually showing her going out and stealing jewels - or at least, wanting to accumulate great wealth as a primary motivator for her actions - would be a lot of fun. That greed is part of her antihero charm, and I'd love to see it get more prominence again.

I'm not saying they need to go full Wario with her, but leaning into the "greedy thief" persona a bit more would be great.

Tell me about it, I miss her being the Fujiko Mine of the series where whether she's on the good or bad side is kind of ambiguous cuz she's out for her own interests most of the time.

[Jovahexeon Jax Joranvexeon]

On 7/25/2021 at 3:30 AM, Kuzu said:

Only in this fandom can we have a topic predicated on a character's breast size.

Man, you're in a bubble if you think this is the only fandom where that happens.

[Kuzu]

32 minutes ago, Jovahexeon Jax Joranvexeon said:

Man, you're in a bubble if you think this is the only fandom where that happens.

Does that suddenly make it alright?

[Jovahexeon Jax Joranvexeon]

1 minute ago, Kuzu said:

Does that suddenly make it alright?

I don't see the point in making a fuss about it to the point where you think it's exclusive to the Sonic fandom like a lot of problems.

[Mephiles' Disciple]

2 hours ago, Jovahexeon Jax Joranvexeon said:

Man, you're in a bubble if you think this is the only fandom where that happens.

Agreed, One Piece fans discussing Nami’s breast size immediately comes to mind. People really need to cut the Sonic fandom some slack. https://anime.stackexchange.com/questions/19540/whats-up-with-namis-breast-size

[charmsb]

21 hours ago, batson said:

 making Shadow a dark twin of Sonic in terms of looks and abilities but never giving so much as a hint as to how this came to be is another.

I guess it's never directly implied, but there were artificial Chaos on the ARK - 50 years+ prior to the Chaos tragedy in station square.

From this, many have interpreted that Gerald Robotnik had some knowledge of Angel Island, the murals on it, and the stories from what remained of the Knuckles clan. From there, he tried to create the Ultimate Life Form first by imitating the murals of Perfect Chaos, ultimately resulting in the failed BioLizard (which shares a scream with Sonic, Shadow, and Perfect Chaos mixed together). His second attempt, Shadow, then was inspired by the prophecies of Sonic defeating Eggman as Super Sonic - which is shown in a mural in Hidden Palace as well as probably being a common foresight among the Echidnas, seeing as there are Sonic statues in (I believe) Hydrocity. Notice how Shadow naturally has the sharp, raised quills of Super Sonic, and built-in chaos powers.

[batson]

19 minutes ago, charmsb said:

I guess it's never directly implied, but there were artificial Chaos on the ARK - 50 years+ prior to the Chaos tragedy in station square.

From this, many have interpreted that Gerald Robotnik had some knowledge of Angel Island, the murals on it, and the stories from what remained of the Knuckles clan. From there, he tried to create the Ultimate Life Form first by imitating the murals of Perfect Chaos, ultimately resulting in the failed BioLizard (which shares a scream with Sonic, Shadow, and Perfect Chaos mixed together). His second attempt, Shadow, then was inspired by the prophecies of Sonic defeating Eggman as Super Sonic - which is shown in a mural in Hidden Palace as well as probably being a common foresight among the Echidnas, seeing as there are Sonic statues in (I believe) Hydrocity. Notice how Shadow naturally has the sharp, raised quills of Super Sonic, and built-in chaos powers.

I know, but I don't count that as an in-universe explanation since it is pure fan speculation. I still say that, appart from a succesful character design, Shadow is one of the more fumbled attempts at giving a hero a dark doppelganger that I've ever seen in professional fiction. Everyone from Metal Sonic to Dark Samus to Goku Black at least make sense within their fictional universe.

[Cosmos Rogue]

1 hour ago, charmsb said:

I guess it's never directly implied, but there were artificial Chaos on the ARK - 50 years+ prior to the Chaos tragedy in station square.

From this, many have interpreted that Gerald Robotnik had some knowledge of Angel Island, the murals on it, and the stories from what remained of the Knuckles clan. From there, he tried to create the Ultimate Life Form first by imitating the murals of Perfect Chaos, ultimately resulting in the failed BioLizard (which shares a scream with Sonic, Shadow, and Perfect Chaos mixed together). His second attempt, Shadow, then was inspired by the prophecies of Sonic defeating Eggman as Super Sonic - which is shown in a mural in Hidden Palace as well as probably being a common foresight among the Echidnas, seeing as there are Sonic statues in (I believe) Hydrocity. Notice how Shadow naturally has the sharp, raised quills of Super Sonic, and built-in chaos powers.

It's fun when writers leave some dots for the reader/viewer/player to connect themselves, and the Artificial Chaos enemies onboard the Ark do hint in that direction, but in Shadow's case I think at least some part of this theory (which is cool, don't get me wrong) needed to be made explicit in the text. It's just so much of the Project Shadow back story left blank that I have a hard time believing that Sonic Team had the connection between Shadow, Chaos, the mural, and Sonic in mind when they were writing SA2.

[Ricochet]

I thought classic Angel Island and the modern one are whole different places, the only similarities beyond being population 1 with knux is that these seems to have a lush tropical rainforest around the border. 

Anyways, I stopped caring about rouge/omega/shadow as a trio cuz  their team "dark" practically isn't what I thought It was supposed to be: a team fortuitously made by a selfish, amoral bunch, bound to either fail or just get in a loop of strife after another. Instead, is just an edgy copycat of hero's team in the games.

[charmsb]

3 hours ago, Ricochet said:

I thought classic Angel Island and the modern one are whole different places, the only similarities beyond being population 1 with knux is that these seems to have a lush tropical rainforest around the border.

Remember that the classic/modern split was only a recent thing. Sonic Adventure was intended to be taking place right after Sonic 3. Though, you're right, the Angel Island in Sonic Adventure is really odd, its weirdly small, but I think that was just hardware limitations.

[DabigRG]

7 hours ago, Mephiles' Disciple said:

Agreed, One Piece fans discussing Nami’s breast size immediately comes to mind. People really need to cut the Sonic fandom some slack. https://anime.stackexchange.com/questions/19540/whats-up-with-namis-breast-size

There was also one back on Bumbleking about Blaze being too big in the comics.

 

Which escalated to questioning why she only had two, natch.

 

[SBR2]

38 minutes ago, DabigRG said:

There was also one back on Bumbleking about Blaze being too big in the comics.

 

Which escalated to questioning why she only had two, natch.

 

Aw, man I remember that! God Bumbleking was a trip.

Still in touch with a lot of friends I made there. 

[DabigRG]

25 minutes ago, SBR2 said:

Aw, man I remember that! God Bumbleking was a trip.

Still in touch with a lot of friends I made there. 

I've seen one or two show up here as well.

Been a long time since I went back for info, like the Script Bits or that one draft of Endangered Species and Lost Hedgehog Tales.