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Do you think that SEGA will eventually change the mandates for the IDW Sonic comics?


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1 hour ago, Rabbitearsblog said:

What mandates did exist before the lawsuit happened?

From memory :

- Sonic can't loose (175), Sonic can't show strong emotion (Mobius 25YL), Sonic's characters can't die (lol). Maybe the relationship (IIRC it was more at that time that Sonic "can't settle down", I kinda remember Flynn talking about on his forum).

- No parents (it was more "lax" as they couldn't be referred as "parent" some times before the lawsuit (that's why the reference to Espio's mother is sneaky). Basically the lawsuit didn't create the "mandates" it's more that with the reboot, they didn't go and create more of them)

- IDR if the word mobius was banned before or after reboot. But it's certainly more the reboot than the lawsuit that killed that word.

- There where already limitation because of other properties too : Cream couldn't get into the comics first because Sonic X, Flynn planned to do a sequel/ending to Sonic Underground and haven't been able to do so.

That's the problem with all the tries to do some "mandate list" : they often are a mess full of unrelated stuff.

 

The lawsuit in a way didn't add mandates, it's more that as they recreated everything from scratch, new stuff where subject to the mandate and didn't fall into the "we always did that" (that's why we didn't get new parents post reboot : the mandates existed before, but there where a tolerence because there still existed character related to that). And when IDW started, the way they worked together changed, as now the comics seems to be supervised by the Sonic Pillar/Studio.

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1 hour ago, Razule said:

 

The "Sonic can't cry" one for sure. 

And I think people make too big a deal out of that. Like Sonic has cried it's just he can't bawl his eyes out.

And frankly I'm fine with that. Not every character needs to be one who breaks down. 

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3 hours ago, SBR2 said:

And I think people make too big a deal out of that. Like Sonic has cried it's just he can't bawl his eyes out.

And frankly I'm fine with that. Not every character needs to be one who breaks down. 

I agree.  I mean, there are many ways they can have Sonic be emotional without crying, so I don't think this mandate is that bad as some people make it out to be.

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Excuse my ignorance, but why is Sega so militant on these rules? 

Are they still licking their wounds over the terrible handling by Archie with the Penders bull shit?

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2 hours ago, GOAT said:

Excuse my ignorance, but why is Sega so militant on these rules? 

Are they still licking their wounds over the terrible handling by Archie with the Penders bull shit?

They weren't paying as much attention before, now they are and want the comics to reflect their current vision of the brand. 

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2 minutes ago, Razule said:

They weren't paying as much attention before, now they are and want the comics to reflect their current vision of the brand. 

Exactly. This is literally no different from any other licensed comic. A company can and will have rules.

Hell even the Transformers comics have to do tie-in's. Look at like Combiner Wars and Titans Return. Those events were clearly not planned for seeing as Combiner Wars literally starts like 3 or so issues into the second Windblade series and Titans Return started literally at the same time as Revolution (which incidentally seems to be where a lot if IDW's scheduling problems began going off TFWiki) and didn't finish until Til All Are One started back up after Revolution. 

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3 hours ago, GOAT said:

Excuse my ignorance, but why is Sega so militant on these rules? 

Are they still licking their wounds over the terrible handling by Archie with the Penders bull shit?

The comics are likely meant to be something that while not technically canon to the games, have to fit in with the canon of the games.

As such the comic likely cannot establish anything that the games likely cannot easily ignore.

I highly predict when Rangers comes around the comic will essentially have to adapt the events of the game as is to its continuity or ignore it.

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On 8/31/2021 at 11:31 PM, Slashy said:

The comics are likely meant to be something that while not technically canon to the games, have to fit in with the canon of the games.

As such the comic likely cannot establish anything that the games likely cannot easily ignore.

I highly predict when Rangers comes around the comic will essentially have to adapt the events of the game as is to its continuity or ignore it.

I do wonder just what Rangers will be like. Will it be more serious or will it be more of the same that we have gotten with the franchise for the past 10 years?  I guess we'll wait and see.

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So I wonder: do you prefer SEGA's more mandate heavy IDW storytelling or the early Archie Comics storytelling without the mandates?  Personally, I think both sides have their ups and downs, depending on who's handling them.  With the early Archie Comics having no mandates, the writers were free to do whatever they wanted with the franchise and although it lead to some pretty entertaining story lines, it also led to some terrible writing due to how off the wall the storytelling got.  On the other hand, with the more mandate heavy IDW Comics, while the stories were finally set in the game continuity, the mandates made it difficult for the stories to become more free with its narrative.

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On 9/15/2021 at 5:53 PM, Rabbitearsblog said:

With the early Archie Comics having no mandates, the writers were free to do whatever they wanted with the franchise

This isn't true. There were always guidelines and an approval process.

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40 minutes ago, Pengi said:

This isn't true. There were always guidelines and an approval process.

How come it got stricter in later years?

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That, and this crazy thing that happened in 2012. That's when they started cracking down in a noticeable way. Then the reboot happened and all the offending things were removed, and then the book was canceled and the old contract that kept the TV show characters around no longer applied.

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Ironically, some of the better stories happened in Archie without IDW’s level of strictness. Even when they got stricter come the Reboot, we still explored characterization of the cast that can no longer be explored come the move to IDW.

You can definitely see that with comparisons between Archie’s Shadow and IDW Shadow—the former gets a lot less flak than the latter in discussions.

Of course, we all know of the risks that could entail, and we don’t need to beat a dead horse over who took advantage of the looser restrictions that Archie once had. But if I had to pick, it would be Archie’s level of mandates, solely on the grounds that if you put it in the hands of a writer that actually understands these characters it would make way for much more enriching stories and memorable stories, which I’m more likely to get than if they were more mandate heavy.

Don’t get me wrong, I loved IDW’s Metal Virus arc (which was supposed to be Archie’s, but I digress), but as intense as that was, it still has yet to top moments like Issue 175 from Archie.

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1 hour ago, CrownSlayer’s Shadow said:

Ironically, some of the better stories happened in Archie without IDW’s level of strictness. Even when they got stricter come the Reboot, we still explored characterization of the cast that can no longer be explored come the move to IDW.

You can definitely see that with comparisons between Archie’s Shadow and IDW Shadow—the former gets a lot less flak than the latter in discussions.

Of course, we all know of the risks that could entail, and we don’t need to beat a dead horse over who took advantage of the looser restrictions that Archie once had. But if I had to pick, it would be Archie’s level of mandates, solely on the grounds that if you put it in the hands of a writer that actually understands these characters it would make way for much more enriching stories and memorable stories, which I’m more likely to get than if they were more mandate heavy.

Don’t get me wrong, I loved IDW’s Metal Virus arc (which was supposed to be Archie’s, but I digress), but as intense as that was, it still has yet to top moments like Issue 175 from Archie.

Hopefully, we'll get more stories that put Sonic and the gang in bigger risks in IDW, if SEGA lifts up the mandates by then.

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