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Should humans have "powers"?


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Actually, it does kind of make me wonder if Eggman has other human super-villains he has to compete against at times. Or perhaps he has a few friends we haven't seen who are in the mad scientist business, but who are busy dealing with their own rivals the way he interacts with Sonic.

Since Eggman has probably been in the business of supervillainy much longer than Sonic's been fighting him, I'd wager that he's encountered plenty of superpowered individuals (or ones with comparable technology) over the years, human and anthro alike. The hedgehog's just his most recent, persistent and effective foe.

Yes, we need more Sonicman. Preferably with Ginyu Force-style posing and ridiculous catchphrases.

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Ok, now you're just altering your definition so you don't have to change your position.

What the hell are you talking about? My definition has been the same when we started this.

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Since Eggman has probably been in the business of supervillainy much longer than Sonic's been fighting him, I'd wager that he's encountered plenty of superpowered individuals (or ones with comparable technology) over the years, human and anthro alike. The hedgehog's just his most recent, persistent and effective foe.

The Sonic 1 Japanese manual mentioned that Sonic had fought Eggman before, but never really took him seriously until now ("Now" being the start of Sonic 1).

I theorize that, based on this, Eggman was once a B-list supervillain like Witchcart and (presumably) others. A "local bad guy" who comically tried to take over a small area with a small scheme every once in a while only to be comically foiled in so doing.

Sonic 1 was probably when he got his act together and organized a formidable enough robot army to actually impress Sonic, becoming a world-famous mad scientist.

I do kind of suspect that there are still small-time supervillains throughout various cities and islands in the world who haven't "broken into" worldwide acclaim as Eggman has just yet, and consequently aren't a blip on Sonic's radar. It'd be fun to look into the concept though, as it does sound quite amusing.

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The idea of G.U.N. agents putting on super suits to give the other characters a run for their money seems awesome. I'm all for it.

Humans with latent superhuman abilities? No thanks.

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The idea of G.U.N. agents putting on super suits to give the other characters a run for their money seems awesome. I'm all for it.

While, I'll agree that this idea sounds interesting, I couldn't resist making it look completely ridiculous by taking the "beat the animals at their own game" thing to its logical extreme.XD

GUN Agent 1: Look Commander, I'm a kitty!

GUN Agent 2: And I'm a majestic fox!

GUN Commander: *heavy sigh*

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I theorize that, based on this, Eggman was once a B-list supervillain like Witchcart and (presumably) others. A "local bad guy" who comically tried to take over a small area with a small scheme every once in a while only to be comically foiled in so doing.

I can totally picture a young Ivo Robotnik making a living kidnapping mayors and local celebrities for ransom while dealing with the petty politics of minor supervillainy. It just... fits, somehow.

Although I'd prefer something a bit more unusual, if GUN were to make a return, I wouldn't mind a few super-suited commandos at all. Of course, I'd like to have some regular animal folk in with the redshirts as well. Why do we always have to be the cannon fodder?

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Like the Accelerator Suits from the G.I. Joe movie? I hate to keep repeating the same thing, but that seems to call into question what they need Sonic for.

Sonic has become- despite being a hedgehog- the "face" of humanity in a sense. He stands for freedom, idealism, and hope for all of mankind, human and animal alike. Even if GUN becomes more competent and capable at defending themselves, Sonic will always be the world's superhero, and will always be a valuable asset to mankind because of that.

Example: Even though Batman's the hero, Gordon and other members of the police force have proven themselves capable in their own right at fighting crime and assisting the masked hero. By the same token, letting the GUN Commander- and a few scattered soldiers of course- get a defining moment of capability and triumph could do well to show that the military isn't just an organization of token redshirts, but people who fight sincerely for the same ideals Sonic and his friends fight for.

Doing this doesn't automatically discredit Sonic's importance in the least.

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Sonic has become- despite being a hedgehog- the "face" of humanity in a sense. He stands for freedom, idealism, and hope for all of mankind, human and animal alike. Even if GUN becomes more competent and capable at defending themselves, Sonic will always be the world's superhero, and will always be a valuable asset to mankind because of that.

Example: Even though Batman's the hero, Gordon and other members of the police force have proven themselves capable in their own right at fighting crime and assisting the masked hero. By the same token, letting the GUN Commander- and a few scattered soldiers of course- get a defining moment of capability and triumph could do well to show that the military isn't just an organization of token redshirts, but people who fight sincerely for the same ideals Sonic and his friends fight for.

Doing this doesn't automatically discredit Sonic's importance in the least.

GUN/GUN Commander? I despise GUN for being the massive plot tumor that it was during most of Iizuka's games. Then there's the matter of the military itself - Simply put, I don't care if the military's portrayal hasn't shown them as effective enough or what have you, because having a military at all is already breaking from surreal too much.

However, you seem to be somewhat missing the point of my post. If you start having random soldiers in power armor, particularly suits like the ones from the video I linked, abilities similar to Sonic's can now be bought, and the only thing keeping them from being standard issue is price. How can that conceivably not make Sonic stand out less?

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Eh, I wouldn't want to see human characters with special powers or anything like the furry cast does. Just keep them to NPCs and the occasional important character.

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How can that conceivably not make Sonic stand out less?
Because Sonic will still do it better, and without outside help.
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Humans in suits, you mean like mechs? It's been done already in SA2 and ShtH. It's just like a Robotnik boss.

But that's artillery, and that kinda thing should be standard issue for militaries of any kind.

Big-Foot, Hot-Shot, Diablon, Flying Dog, etc. they're mainly concerned with weapons than speed or superstrength (I'd probably exclude Diablon from this).

On the subject of humans in a mech-suit, even if you were to have a human in a suit like the GI Joe Accelerator suit, it's still a vehicle and the operator being human can be prone to disasterous errors. As shown in the movie, they failed to capture the Cobra troops with the nanites before they launched it at the Effiel Tower, so even if they were to have a suit to run superfast that doesn't make them any better than the guy who's better suited to clock speeds 20 times faster than that and be more careful not to damage any public property...or at least is more careful than guys in Accelerator suits (at least he would've stopped the threat :P).

Unlike the anthro cast who have a natural mastery of their abilities, a guy in a superfast mech-suit doesn't have that mastery and even with training the pilot can still screw up quite a lot with the suit on.

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That's another thing I was thinking of - If a game were to go through all the trouble to show augmented humans, and then then have them fail, doesn't that reflect even worse on them? Even with the extra juice, they still can't match Sonic.

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That's another thing I was thinking of - If a game were to go through all the trouble to show augmented humans, and then then have them fail, doesn't that reflect even worse on them? Even with the extra juice, they still can't match Sonic.

"Failing" and "Not matching Sonic" are two different things.

Giving them a few token victories against minor villains would count as success. Or allowing them to assist Sonic, and actively help, while still having Sonic do most of the work would also qualify.

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That's another thing I was thinking of - If a game were to go through all the trouble to show augmented humans, and then then have them fail, doesn't that reflect even worse on them? Even with the extra juice, they still can't match Sonic.

Them failing doesn't reflect them being worse, it just reflects that they're still subject to error because they pilots themselves are not a perfect Sonic. We're talking about humans here, and they along with anthro cast aren't perfect. They can copy something, but that doesn't make them the same as what they copied.

Having a suit that makes you run fast doesn't mean they can easily replace Sonic, as only Sonic himself is capable of all the feats he accomplishes. They're more of a substitute for when dealing with Eggman without the presence of Sonic himself so they can get a better edge on things.

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"Failing" and "Not matching Sonic" are two different things.

Giving them a few token victories against minor villains would count as success. Or allowing them to assist Sonic, and actively help, while still having Sonic do most of the work would also qualify.

That kind of thing sounds more suited to a show or something. So many NPC's wandering around could get irritating.

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I theorize that, based on this, Eggman was once a B-list supervillain like Witchcart and (presumably) others. A "local bad guy" who comically tried to take over a small area with a small scheme every once in a while only to be comically foiled in so doing.

Isn't that a progression we largely see in the games? The pre-Adventure era (barring a few odd cookies like Sonic the Fighters) sees Eggman's schemes confined to South Island, or various other (usually nameless, but for West Side Island) crappy tropical backwater locales presumably located in the South Pacific (or the Mobain equivalent, for bitter retrofags like ME). It's only in SA1 that he moves on out to some place which contains blatant technological human civilization, and only in SA2 that he loudly announces himself to the whole world with his TV broadcast and unmissable Moon-smashing.

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It's only in SA1 that he moves on out to some place which contains blatant technological human civilization, and only in SA2 that he loudly announces himself to the whole world with his TV broadcast and unmissable Moon-smashing.

Except South Island has at least two cities on it, Spring Yard and Starlight.

Westside Island also has a city in the background of Chemical Plant, as well as the whole of Casino Night (Which honors Sonic with emblems and his own neon namesake all over town).

Station Square was far from the first modern technological civilization Eggman invaded.

The Death Egg was a threat to the entire planet anyway; Sure, his base was situated locally on Westside Island, but the giant moon-sized space station probably caught some attention from the planet's populace.

(or the Mobain equivalent, for bitter retrofags like ME)

Ohoho! But I see myself as far more of a retro purist for going with Earth, since it was technically first.

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At this point, I define "Mobius" as "Any Earth-like planet with Sonic living on it." It lets me have the best of both worlds.^_^

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Except South Island has at least two cities on it, Spring Yard and Starlight.

Westside Island also has a city in the background of Chemical Plant, as well as the whole of Casino Night (Which honors Sonic with emblems and his own neon namesake all over town).

Station Square was far from the first modern technological civilization Eggman invaded.

The Death Egg was a threat to the entire planet anyway; Sure, his base was situated locally on Westside Island, but the giant moon-sized space station probably caught some attention from the planet's populace.

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The cities belonged to these critters.

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I am sort of amused at the thought of Ricky the Squirrel building all those cities in the classic games, with the help of his handheld computer NICHOLAS.^_~

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I am sort of amused at the thought of Ricky the Squirrel building all those cities in the classic games, with the help of his handheld computer NICHOLAS.^_~

Well, Ricky has the distinct advantage of being several hundred squirrels at the same time, so I suppose it's a bit more feasible.

Also, I see what you did there.

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Well, Ricky has the distinct advantage of being several hundred squirrels at the same time, so I suppose it's a bit more feasible.

Agent Smith from "The Matrix": The great thing about being me is that there's so many of me!

Also, I see what you did there.

I had a feeling you would.^^ Perhaps the little fuzzball would look rather fetching in a blue vest.XD

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Well, Ricky has the distinct advantage of being several hundred squirrels at the same time, so I suppose it's a bit more feasible.

Something similar to that has actually been confirmed in the recent Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Winter Games. Every Omochao in existence actually shares the same singular mind, and Omochao can effectively be in multiple places at once due to this. (I knew it!) Character elaboration? In my Mario & Sonic? It's apparently more likely than I think'd.

On that note, I'm not entirely sure if this is applicable to the small animals. My theory is that their naming is done in a similar fashion to the Mario series - their name often doubles as their species. ("Yoshi" appears to be the Yoshi-species equivalent of "Stan Smith".)

As for them building the cities and advanced technology featured in that picture? I'm not entirely sure about that. I mean, it's definitely a possibility, but humans could have just as easily been the ones to manufacture them. Those carts are pretty similar in size to the ones featured in Twinkle Circuit, after all.

EDIT: Holy Chaos Cola, Eggrobo! Ricky's got two tails in that image!

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