"All Sonic games are the same"

February 28, 2010

I told him everything except about the game engines/ mechanics really. Well, I mentioned them but didn't really go into depth.

He's so predictable though, I can almost guarantee that if I point out all those matters, he'll just give some kind of argument about how they're all minor differences and that the core gameplay still is (read- looks to him) 'the same' and doesn't warrant 'buying it again'. D: He'd just dismiss differences in the game engine/ gameplay mechanics as 'minor tweaks that they add in to make idiots buy the same thing again'. >.> Because the Sonic Riders games so totally play identically to ASR and Sonic 3D, and all.

Like I said, he doesn't go on constantly, usually just once or twice whenever a new console Sonic game is out.

Then he's pig ignorant.

February 28, 2010

My sister's boyfriend detests the Sonic series. But then he's the type of guy who thinks that series like Mario and Doom are gods gifts to gaming. He's one of those who doesn't take any criticism towards his fave games but is quick to pour scorn on the Sonic series despite the fact he couldn't come close to winning in a 2 player game in Sonic 2 with my younger sister, who isn't at all game oriented. Some gamer he is

I make my disdain for games like Mario and Doom well known, such as saying that Doom is the poorest use of pixel art yet seen in a game or that Mario is hardly ever pulled up for it's massive cast of mostly useless and annoying characters like the Sonic series is or that Mario Kart is just as guilty of unoriginality as any other kart racing game. All glossed over of course, like the Mario series is holy and undeserving of contempt whilst Sonic is fully contemptible with no redeeming qualities.

My mother seems to have a light fondness for Sonic and the series but often annoyingly says when I want a new game (Not just a new Sonic) "I thought you already own that?". I always answer "If I already onwned it, why would I be getting it?" Nevertheless, she often says in a tone comparable to admiration "How do your eyes keep up!?"

I kid you not, she even objects a bit to scenes in the games that involve Sonic getting in a pickle/getting hurt with "They can't do that to Sonic!"/"Oh no!". Of particular note is her reaction to Sonic getting caught in the explosive capsule in SA2; "What happens to him!? Does he really die!?" and her reaction to the infamous Sonic ressurection scene in SONIC '06; "Ahhhhh! they finally brought him back to life!" without professing either disgust or approval at Sonic being kissed by a human.

I admit it's kinda cool to play Sonic in the presence of my mom because she is sometimes interested in the cutscenes and watching the gameplay even if it does leave her disoriented according to her. We even have a good laugh at the Sonic and Chip vids in Unleashed

Oh yeah, and for added funny, when she plays Sonic Pinball Party on my Gamecube's GBA Player, she absolutely detests Eggman and woops in delight when she defeats him with the ball.

Edited February 28, 2010 by Verte

February 28, 2010

Then he's pig ignorant.

Yup. XP

Edited February 28, 2010 by Mahzes

February 28, 2010

Yeah, but you can say that Sonic 1, 2, 3 & Knuckles are all 'the same' because they're all basically the same game mechanic, too. That doesn't mean that only one of them is worth playing and it isn't worth getting any more after the first one because they'll just be 'more of the same'.

Seconded.

Also, that's what I respect about the first four (three, if you count Sonic 3 & Knuckles as one game) titles: they knew what they were good at, and so finely honed it to make the ultimate two-dimensional platform adventure. And they succeeded. But, due to pressure to keep up with other franchises, Sonic 3D: Flickies' Island rather went and broke the unbeaten mould. So perhaps, from this perspective, 'tis good that Sonic kept it "all the same" towards the beginning of his life.

What I can't believe is how somebody could look at Sonic & SEGA All-Stars Racing and say "Oh, but they're all the same!" because, let's be honest, there are only two other Sonic karting games out there and they were both on the freakin' SEGA GameGear!

February 28, 2010

Well, considering my dad mistakes almost every 3D Sonic game for a racing game doesn't help, either. But how he managed to compare it to Sonic 3D is beyond me. D:

February 28, 2010

...and...

Well, I know I'm confused...

February 28, 2010

her reaction to the infamous Sonic ressurection scene in SONIC '06; "Ahhhhh! they finally brought him back to life!" without professing either disgust or approval at Sonic being kissed by a human.

That's because she's an adult.

February 28, 2010

Well, I was playing ASR yesterday (Wii), when my Dad walks in and immediately starts scoffing at me in a "It's just the same as every other Sonic game, you're an idiot for buying the same game over and over again" way (it didn't help his case since the first one he made comparisons to was Sonic 3D, but he's a right stubborn prat who you can't win with).

Still though, does anyone else get this (mostly from parents, since that's the main annoyance on my end)? With almost every new Sonic game I get, once my dad catches sight of it, he'll go off into lecture mode for the best part of half an hour about how "Every Sonic game is exactly the same, just with different level designs" (a stupidly paradoxical argument in itself) and that I'm "an idiot for buying the same slightly-tweaked game over and over again". It's nothing drastic, but it is a right pain in the arse at times and does kind of make me want to slap him a bit, especially when he won't listen to reason and keeps acting like a smug "I told you so, I'm so smart, you're an idiot, I'm right and you're wrong no matter what you say".

Doesn't help he seems to think that every 3D Sonic game ever made is a racing game simply because you run fast, either. I tried explaining to him that even other Sonic Racing games (namely Riders and R) have entirely different game mechanics from ASR and don't play similarly at all, but of course, he was having none of it. "You race, don't you?", before practically giving a running commentary on what I was playing, before saying "Now tell me you don't do any of that in other games".

I managed to make a pretty much airtight argument, although sadly not idiot-proof. I had to try and simplify it to using racism as a relevant example, in that my Dad's judging all Sonic/ Racing games and saying 'they're the same' whilst knowing sod all about them beyond a few minutes of watching me play them. I just find it funny that he was trying to make comparisons between ASR and Sonic 3D (he couldn't even tell ASR was a racing game at first, such is his gaming prowess), yet didn't once make any sort of Mario Kart comparison.

So yeah, according to my Dad, all Sonic games and all racing games are practically identical rereleases with a few new skins/ levels, with identical gameplay mechanics. Oh, and he'll also think a game is a rerelease of another game if it so much as reuses (or even remixes) a single tune. He used that logic to argue unshakably that Sonic Advance 3 = Sonic 1 (Sunset Hill/ Green Hill) and that Sonic Pinball Party = Sonic R (Super Sonic Racing).

The annoying thing is that, no matter how much proof you show otherwise, the biggest compromise you can argue him down to is "It's the same game with a few tweaks/ different stages" (last I checked, same game with different stages = new game 0.o), and will carry on acting like a smug prat looking down on an idiot who's been 'tricked into buying the same thing over and over' and claim that 'you're only arguing back in defence because you know I'm right and don't want to admit it'. ;

So, anyone else get this from irritating ignorant parents/ friends/ whatever? I'm not asking for advice here since I know there's sod all that can be done other than cringe and endure when it comes to my dad, I just wanna see if many more of you have this issue. D:

At least your dad pays attention to the games you play. My dad gets his Sonic info from parts of me and my brother's conversations. He thought Eggman's name was "A-man". *facepalm*

I'll catch him humming Sonic tunes sometimes, though.

February 28, 2010

That's because she's an adult.

*applause*

February 28, 2010

That's because she's an adult.

Funny....i've come across people who are not adults who don't have a reaction to that scene either or who don't lean towards one extreme or the other when it comes to their reactions .

Edited February 28, 2010 by Verte

February 28, 2010

I had a friend who was like that, he firmly believed that every 3D Sonic game was rubbish and that they just kept on getting worse.

This he based on playing Sonic Adventure, Sonic Adventure 2, and Sonic Unleashed. That was all, and even then he only got Unleashed because it was cheap. He claimed to have finished the game when he part-exchanged it (at the time claiming he wouldn't get hardly any money for it) but I could tell from his tone of voice that he just hadn't.

It's annoying because all the 3D Sonic games have enjoyable elements and different mechanics, some are rubbish I admit but I've never regretted buying a Sonic game and have never sold one, either. I still own them all and periodically bust them out to play them again because I enjoy the games, the series, and the feeling ofplaying Sonic (strange thing to say but there you go).

Of course, he also hated the Smash Brothers games simply because he believed "Mario" (such a stupid generic way of saying "all Nintendo characters") didn't belong in a fighting game and that it wasn't a "real" fighting game because of the percentage counter o_O And he hated Dissidia: Final Fantasy despite being an avid fan of the entire Final Fantasy series and owning all of them, much like I do with Sonic (this led to criticisms of Sonic's basic/minor "level up" functions and adventure elements for not being true RPG mechanics like in Final Fantasy...)

Just saying a new Sonic game is a remake of another because of a remixed tune or gameplay element is so redundant, that's like saying Sonic 2 is exactly the same game as Sonic 1 because Sonic runs, spins, jumps, ducks, etc etc.

Though when I was a kid, my Dad told me never to waste money in arcade fighting games and to play racing games instead, because they were somehow more worth my money...I just walked off and did what I wanted.