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I just think that her act (she decided to steal the emerald for herself, though she knew that it need to save Blaze’s world) is very low and despicable. Even for her. Rouge from the games would never do so vile (although not sure about her character from Sonic Battle...). I certainly want that Sonic franchise would have more characters of different types, with different kinds of morality, etc. But speaking specifically about Rouge, I've always liked the fact that she can’t be assigned as definitely bad or definitely good. I always liked that she showed herself as a cunning and manipulated, but when situation demanded, she could show her sympathetic good side. As was stated in one of her profiles: "Her figure, speech and behaviour is a mask of her true identity." It seems to me that this type of character is more original or valuable than typical greedy thieves anti-heroes.

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Even in the games I like to think that Rouge is a lot more selfish and conniving than she appears and only becomes a "good gal" when the goal of the big bad(s) interfere with her jewel hunting in some way. Aside from giving back the M.E. shards in SA2(which I suspect she did simply to get the obsessive red nuisance off her back for a while/steal again later) I find it difficult to find instances where Rouge legitimately puts aside her jewel fetish for the sake of someone else without the fate of the world being at stake. However, in this case the world that meets it's demise is in a parallel dimension so she probably couldn't care less about it's fate since it is out of sight, out of mind and conscience.

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They're called Anti-Heroes for a reason people, just because they save the world a few times doesn't make them nice people. As stated above Team Dark may have stolen the thing as an order from G.U.N., Rouge may not know about the state of Blaze's world as of now(Its not like its a fire and brimstone hell hole). Shadow may have a reason for fighting against Blaze, he may be protecting Rouge. remember he takes protecting his friends [very/i] seriously, and I don't think anyone else is gonna stop him from doing it.

I like Rouge's moral ambiguity, it sets her aside from all the other heroic characters, and its not like she's evil, she has a heart. She'll save the world when it matters.

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Nah, I'll agree that Rouge is a royal bitch in the comic. Didn't she team up with Scourge before the Scourge thing happened? She was running around with Evil Sonic in order to steal the Master Emerald. Crazy bitch. I've seen her in only a few issues of Sonic X, but I think she's better in that one. Before Flynn took over Sonic X.

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I just think that her act (she decided to steal the emerald for herself, though she knew that it need to save Blaze’s world) is very low and despicable. Even for her. Rouge from the games would never do so vile (although not sure about her character from Sonic Battle...). I certainly want that Sonic franchise would have more characters of different types, with different kinds of morality, etc. But speaking specifically about Rouge, I've always liked the fact that she can’t be assigned as definitely bad or definitely good. I always liked that she showed herself as a cunning and manipulated, but when situation demanded, she could show her sympathetic good side. As was stated in one of her profiles: "Her figure, speech and behaviour is a mask of her true identity." It seems to me that this type of character is more original or valuable than typical greedy thieves anti-heroes.

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SONIC THE HEDGEHOG #218

"Thicker than Water" Part Two," "Hindsight":

It's Sonic versus Bunnie in a no-holds-barred battle! The prize: the sprawling Oil Ocean Refinery! Two factions stand poised to attack as hero turns on hero - but is everything as it seems? There will be as many revelations as explosions! Then, in "Hindsight," Dr. Eggman calls Snively in for questioning. What is the conniving little man up to this time?

SCRIPT: Ian Flynn.

ART: Ben Bates and Jamal Peppers

COVER: Tracy Yardley!, Terry Austin, and Matt Herms

Shipping Date: October 20th, 2010

On Sale at Comic Shops: October 27th, 2010

Newsstands: November 9th, 2010

32-page, 40 lb glossy stock, full-color comic

$2.99 US

Archie's picture-less preview!

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Goddammit, I am so immature.

I don't have much else to say other than that the fight-turned-scheming-tango at the end of the preview is awesome and badass.

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Damn, I really like Ben Bates' art style! Looks very cool, I feel it like a real Sonic style! Bravo, I very much hope that he will be working on some more future issues. (:

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Speaking of 218, I just got the issue today! (How opportune.)

Summary time!

1.The issue begins with the two opposing sides watching Sonic and Bunnie's brawl.

2.Sonic tells Bunnie that she's making this situation too complicated. Bunnie tells him what will happen to her uncle and his chapter if they just destroy the refinery.

3.Sonic doesn't trust Beau's D.E.L. chapter because they willingly went back to Eggman. Bunnie tells him about how the Sand Blasters abused them into making that decision.

4.Sonic believes that the Sand Blasters would do something like that, but he doesn't want to do the D.E.L's dirty work for them. Bunnie tells him that she can't turn her back on her uncle.

5.The two agree that they can't help Beau's chapter maintain the refinery for Eggman, but they also can't let the Sand Blasters get their dirty hands on it and leave Beau's chapter to take the blame.

6.The two hatch a plan to fake the rest of the fight so they would wreck the place and only they would take the blame.

7.Meanwhile, the Sand Blasters are still watching the fight. Jolt asks for someone to share their binoculars so he can see it too. After annoying him, Shift (The previously un-named coyote I mentioned in my 217 spoilers.) surrenders his binoculars.

8.Shift has a very intelligent accent compared to the other Sand Blasters. He even brags about his "genius" later in the comic. (Hmmm...)

9.After Shift hands him the binoculars, Jolt notices that they're really tearing the place up. Jack sees right through their plan and the Sand Blasters move out to stop them.

10.Matilda notices the Sand Blasters moving out and Beau orders the D.E.L to follow them.

11.Matilda says that she hopes they'll be able to end the fight before the refinery suffers more damage. Beau sees right through Sonic and Bunnie's charade. Beau tells himself that he should've expected Bunnie to do this. She was a Freedom Fighter and she married a D'Coolette.

12.Sonic and Bunnie notice that their cover is blown. Sonic heads down to the battlefield where numerous Sand Blasters and D.E.L. members are fighting.

13.He runs into Jolt, who tries to use his speed to overwhelm him. Sonic quickly deals with him.

14."What is it with me having to fight green, annoying birds all the time?"

15.Tex rolls into a ball and slams Sonic. Bunnie promptly deals with him using her mechanical arm.

16.Bunnie's mechanical arm gets snagged by a bear trap hurled by Shift. Bunnie immediately shatters it. The arm of her jacket ripped in the process.

17.Shift runs away, claiming that brute strength foiled his genius.

18.Sonic tells Bunnie that they'll get Rosie to fix her jacket later.

19.Sonic and Bunnie are targeted by a rocket launcher held by Avery.

20.Jack tells him to take the shot, but Avery warns that the refinery could get wrecked even more. Jack says it's worth it and Avery fires.

21.However, before he can get off a shot, Beau whomps Avery with a crowbar and the launcher is redirected, firing harmlessly into the sky.

22.Jack and Beau grapple and Bunnie comes to her uncle's aid.

23.Beau accuses Bunnie of betraying him and putting his entire chapter at stake.

24.Bunnie says that Beau put his chapter at stake when he sided with Eggman.

25.Beau accuses Bunnie of being cold-hearted, but Sonic lauches at him, grinding against his crowbar.

26.Avery's missle finally comes down and causes a giant explosion.

27.Beau says that Bunnie has doomed them all now that the refinery is in ruins, calling her "Missus D'Coolette".

28.Bunnie says that she hasn't doomed them all. They stopped Jack from getting his hands on the refinery, struck a blow to Eggman's plans, and shifted the blame away from the D.E.L.

29.Sonic says that all Beau needs to tell Eggman is that he was involved and he'll be off scot free.

30.Beau tells Bunnie that she can't play both sides forever and one day, she'll have to face them as a Freedom Fighter.

31.Bunnie says that it was the first time she's seen Beau in years, she didn't want it to end in another fight.

32.D.E.L. members aim at Bunnie, but Beau tells them to stand down and give the order to fall back.

33.Beau says goodbye to his niece, still calling her "Missus D'Coolette".

34.The two parties leave the refinery.

35.Sonic tells Bunnie that they helped out a group of Freedom Fighters, stomped a few jerks, and helped out some unfortunate lives. He says that it was a good day.

36.Bunnie agrees and the two head home.

37.Cue a bit of foreshadowing that has King Max tell his wife to bring him Geoffrey St. John.

38.In the back-up story, Snively is escorted to Eggman by two D.E.L. soldiers.

39.Eggman accuses Snively of treachery. Snively says that he doesn't know what he's talking about, but Eggman reveals that Snively has been making multiple calls to the Dragon Kingdom.

40.Snively says the he was just setting up the new D.E.L. chapter, because Eggman's control of the region was broken when the Iron Queen was defeated. Eggman doesn't believe him and plays back a tape of one of his calls.

41.Snively talks to Conquering Storm about Legionizing devices for the new D.E.L. chapter, the Raiju clan. CS says that they don't need them, but Snively says that they'll be the ones to tell them what they will and won't need.

42.Snively tells Eggman that this proves he was just setting up the new chapter, nothing more. However, the archived Snively asks about the Iron Queen in the call three seconds after he says this.

43.CS says the she is still being held in the heart of the free people's lands in a prison made of stone with no technological elements for her to take advantage of. Archived Snively says that is very good and ends the call.

44.Snively says that this more than proves his innocence. Eggman still isn't satisfied. He orders Snively to say that it's over between him and the queen.

45.Snively reluctantly says that it's over and that he has given up. Eggman pats him on the head and dismisses him.

46.Snively leaves, thinking that it is over, but not the way Eggman thinks it.

That's all she wrote!

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Not surprised to hear that anymore. XD

Sounds mighty intriuging, CC14. Especially the back-up...

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Goddammit, I am so immature.

Or did you see the way Sonic was grinding on Bunnie? That's a married woman, sugahog!

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Damn!

I love Ben Bates style! I meant to comment on that last issue. See now this is great comic art. If treasure team tango were like this I am certain it would be my favourite arc so far.

Those fight scenes between Sonic and Bunnie are amazing so far, if only TTT has the same flair. Sonic grinding down Bunnies arm?! :D Yes please!

Really loving how Sonic is portrayed too. Whilst Bunnie is all intense and in heated battle Sonic is so calm and messing around. I love how he seems so casual and even steals her hat and whistles spinning it on one finger whilst falling then puts it back on her head mid-fight :lol: Classic cocky Sonic!

I guess it kinda shows him holding back too. Perhaps Bunnie is a bit rage blinded to notice, but I think if Sonic really didn't pull his punches he would mop the floor with her, but he's being kind.

I really like this arc, however small it is. I like it so much I'm not gonna spoil it by reading Chaoscontrol14's review like I usually do!

I assume it will end with Sonic and Bunnie mock fighting and destroying the Oil Ocean zone so nobody can have it, pissing off the Sandblast freedom fighters, and the D.E.L....although Bunnies Uncle might understand why....and if he doesn't then I don't think he's a good guy! I'm still on the fence with him, how he reacts will make my mind up on him though.

I'm just hoping Sonic makes it back in time to form Team Sonic and get included in Treasure Team Tango! I mean with his speed I'm sure he can get back in time for it!!

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Team Sonic is not going to be the 4th team in TTT. The Cover to SU 24 was revealed at NYCC, TSS has a pic of it and reveals quite nicely who the 4th team is.

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Team Sonic is not going to be the 4th team in TTT. The Cover to SU 24 was revealed at NYCC, TSS has a pic of it and reveals quite nicely who the 4th team is.

I know, and I never said anything about a fourth team, I dunno where you got that from??

I know that Team Babylon will show up I am just saying I hope this arc goes all out and includes everyone, which means a Team Sonic and Team Chaotix also.

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Normally I don't like action sequences because it is usually Sonic just spin dashing and punching people, but goddamn that was awesome! Whoever Ben Bates is needs to do this more often. Reminded me of Sonic Battle art which was awesome. I hope Sonic Universe 22 gets the same thing for Blaze and Shadow since they are high tier characters.

Speaking of which, is there like a scale in this universe about who is in whose leaugue? I imagine that Sonic, Blaze, and Shadow would be in the same tier more or less with Mammoth Mogul just over them. Maybe I should make a list or something for kicks.

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Speaking of which, is there like a scale in this universe about who is in whose leaugue? I imagine that Sonic, Blaze, and Shadow would be in the same tier more or less with Mammoth Mogul just over them. Maybe I should make a list or something for kicks.

IT'S OVER 9000!!!

And yes, that was called for. On a more serious note, it'll really be a matter of personnal opinion. I'm sure Flynn doesn't see the characters like that, and even if he did he'd still be a little fickle with how he handles it. If it was really like "this character can kick this character's ass" then it wouldn't make for interesting fights.

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IT'S OVER 9000!!!

And yes, that was called for. On a more serious note, it'll really be a matter of personnal opinion. I'm sure Flynn doesn't see the characters like that, and even if he did he'd still be a little fickle with how he handles it. If it was really like "this character can kick this character's ass" then it wouldn't make for interesting fights.

For shits and giggles.

Plus, the Dragon Ball universe is completely different than...any universe. In that world, there are select few beings that are physical gods and can't be stopped. Sonic archie is completely different. I think of it as a fighting game with no Akuma-esque characters. Nobody is going to dominate just because that character is just better. Look at the recent issues for examples. Look at how the Sandblasters pummelled Sonic. Individually, we know Sonic could wipe the floor with all of them, but skilled and precise maneuvers can put him on his black. Then we have the Bunnie and Sonic fight were Sonic is just slightly better than her, but that does not mean that she couldn't win. In short, I was not suggesting that we have power levels, but tiers.

I've been looking into the previous issues and...why does it seem that ,at one point, Knuckles was the main character?

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In short, I was not suggesting that we have power levels, but tiers.

You're placing the character on a pedestial based on their relative "strength" to other characters. If you were to then place a number next to these tiers, with a higher number going to characters closest to the top, boom, you have "power levels."

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Mah tier list.

Gods and Demigods.

Mogul and Tails in that one multiverse arc. But that's kinda silly.

The Ancient Walkers, now dead and killed by Mogul. Maybe Aurora.

Enerjak and Green Knuckles, when he flips out like that.

Feist in the Special Zone. Outside his domain he might not be a god.

Super Sonic followed by other Supers, only because Sonic always wins.

Fighters.

Mammoth Mogul, Ixis Naugus, Regina and the Iron King.

Sonic, Scourge, Shadow, Blaze, most of Eggman's vehicles.

Silver, Knuckles, Finitevus, Monkey Khan, Metal Sonic, Bunnie, Amy with Piko.

Rouge, the Chaotix, Tails, Sally, Antoine, the Destructix, Dark Legionnaires.

And then everyone else is pretty much on the same level I think.

Then depending on the scenario a character might jump up a level.

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Sonic is capable of a lot more when he needs to be or angered. Most of his fights he is pretty much holding back not to cause harm. If any case the entire fight with Bunny was Sonic holding back...I'm sure he could take her out easily if he REALLY had too.

Also he is a much more instinctive fighter, he only uses tactics as a last resort. Part of his weakness is the fact that he just barges in and doesn't think against a Tactical team of fighters. Whenever Sonic does think and has a plan he does way more that what people expect him too.

Scourge is pretty much Sonic with less moral inhibitors to hold him back...that's why he was able to take over his world so easily. I'm sure if Sonic was the same way he could do the same. He also posses a lot more abilities and crap that he never uses, but I think the reason why Archie never elaborates on it is to keep all the characters interesting.

EX: Chaos Control

Long Story Short: Sonic is Over Powered, but Archie has a good way of hiding it so that the story doesn't become gay and stupid.

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I honestly never saw Sonic as much of a fighter compared to Knuckles/Bunnie/Shadow, but then again I hate Sonic so that may be why. I just can't see him as 'fighting' so much as 'using speed to do stuff'. Of course, there's probably an issue that I haven't read that he's the best fighter ever, I dunno.

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I honestly never saw Sonic as much of a fighter compared to Knuckles/Bunnie/Shadow, but then again I hate Sonic so that may be why. I just can't see him as 'fighting' so much as 'using speed to do stuff'. Of course, there's probably an issue that I haven't read that he's the best fighter ever, I dunno.

What?

You do realize that in this current issue he is fighting Bunnie and is about to do battle with the opposition? Even in the games, he fought Knuckles, Shadow, and many others and it was without a doubt a fight. You might not acknowledge it as bare knuckle fighting, but he is doing something that makes people get knocked unconscious. Sonic Battle and Sonic Fighters....he is a fighter. I hardly ever see him do recon and even when he does, he gets in a fight.

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What?

You do realize that in this current issue he is fighting Bunnie and is about to do battle with the opposition? Even in the games, he fought Knuckles, Shadow, and many others and it was without a doubt a fight. You might not acknowledge it as bare knuckle fighting, but he is doing something that makes people get knocked unconscious. Sonic Battle and Sonic Fighters....he is a fighter. I hardly ever see him do recon and even when he does, he gets in a fight.

It seems more like Bunnie is fighting and Sonic is just playing around *Playing with her hat, grinding on her arm, yeah* And Battle and Fighters are just silly spinoffs, but I honestly don't see Sonic 'fighting' so much as spindashing or just running really fast into things. Again, I don't really know that much, nor do I really care that much.

Edit: So I'm probably wrong.

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