Megathread Archie Sonic Main Discussion

[azoo]

I like the idea of the FF splitting for a while (etc)..

Plus, there's that warm feeling when they're all reunited.

[The Tenth Doctor]

Say, does anyone think Silver will stay longer than one comic? Or will he stay to continue the fight with one of the teams?

[turbojet]

I always took it more as "Shit just got real". Sonic was always the main roadblock keeping Eggman from achieving his goals, and with him being too incessant with the Freedom Fighters gone it's just got a whole lot more intense now that he doesn't have to worry about them.

Fixed for truth.

[Soniman]

Fixed for truth.

Nah, I think he had it right the first time

[Badnik Mechanic]

A review of Archie Comics from someone who doesn't particually like them from issue... urm... something or other Part 1 of Genesis until the most recent one.

Following the last review I did in which I was branded an outside and practically chased from the village with a pitchfork and burning torches, I put off writing anymore instead concentrated on mocking Ken Penders in order to gain the trust of the pro-archie clan, with that out of the way I'm now back to give my thoughts on all things Archie of recent months.

Ok thats not what really happened, basically something happened then something else and something else which made me forget to do a monthly thing... although the part about being chased out of the village and branded an outsider is true.

Archie Genesis, What a marvellous idea, take everything back to basics, a really good gripping story and the chance to makle significant changes to the main archie storyline that would make it easier for new readers to get into as well as cutting away unessesary characters or plot lines that are just complicating..... .. .. oh wait hang on... this is just a spin off thing isn't it!?

Archie blew a grand chance with Genesis even if you didn't want a total reset they could have changed something, anything, maybe the priceof a pizza, but no, nothing changed other than Sally came back to life... again...

Number of times Sally has died or been something other than a squirrel... 4 by my count. 2 more on her 'death loyalty card' and she wins a free latte at the Cloud 9 coffee shop.

So what happens in Genesis? Basically not a lot, the first issue set things up quite well and then issue 2 happened, issue 3 happened and there might have been a 4th part but it was so forgettable I forgot to count. Issue 2 and 3 basically consist of Sally taking the spotlight from Sonic and being what the comic is about instead of it being about Sonic... I assume that's why the comic is called Sonic the Hedgehog? And not "Sally Acorn: I'm not a policeman I'm a princess!" However the Archie comic writers and artists found a clever way to show how Sonic can follow Sally's instructions no questions asked, and it's a work of genius...

Sally flashes her arse at Sonic...

I counted this happening at least twice before I figured 'So thats why Sonic has put up with it for so long?'

So Sonic and friends go off to stop Robotnik and HEY IT'S TAILS! Wow, Tails, wasn't you supposed to be in part 2 like you were on the cover... and Knuckles is on the cover of thi.... .. ... Knuckles isn't going to be in this comic either is he? Well Tails is in it and like a good mother Sally decides that he's a bit young to go fight robotnik... .. .. wait what?

In this storyline he was doing a pretty good job on his own (if you found the options screen), so why can't he go fight Robotnik in what I assume is supposed to be a Sonic 2 storyline?

And look here he is on his own again!

Well I think he can join in you little bitch so stop complaining about his age and go back to your damn throne and talk about a commity or something /Bill Murry Scrooged.

So Sally once again is telling people what to do and off they trot on an adventure and oh wait it's happening... Sonic is falling for Sally already... I guess the flashing of the arse was too much for him... if only Robotnik had thought of this he would have conquered Mobius much sooner.

Well Genesis Saga ends... somehow... and we're back in time... just moments before Sally dies... and she's saved! Hooray! 2 more and.. wait... oh right time travel. Anyway Genesis ends and it looks like utterly nothing has changed except for the fact that Sally has cheated death and now we might be seeing the Death Egg destroy everything... owww exciting.

It's quite a nice issue if not for the fact not very much happens other than 'we must stop the death egg... we must stop the death egg... we must stop... oh I blew up...' The biggest shocker of the issue is what happens to Sally... ZOMIGOD! She's dead! She blew up! No wait... SHE'S A ROBOT!

* Adds another stamp to Sally's death card... one more and she's got the latte!

So thats the biggest shocker, the thing that changed is that now people can be turned into robots, yuppi. And 20p says Sonic is in love with Sally as a robot... you know it's going to happen...

Well now skip ahead to 231 and we get... a pretty damn good issue, and I'll tell you why, theres lots of action right from the word go, everyone in it is doing something for a reason even cream gets an odd role even if it's just to rescue someones doll. The fan service level here has reached the stars, Chaotix, Sonic R, the list of cameos is practically endless, it makes up for that god awful death egg design.

Drama... Bunny has become part robot... part fireplace ornament... shocking!

But otherwise this was a pretty cool issue, and even ends on a semi notion of 'hmmm wait... maybe this is the drastic change that we thought Genesis would bring? Afterall, Robotnik is back... sally is gone (sorta)... the city is destroyed and the last few pages of them are in a forest... .. .. .. ..

And then issue 232 happens and we realise... nope... not going to happen.

232 is about as boring as it could possibly be... nothing happens... when your most dramatic line in the comic is

"TO THE HOSPITAL!"

Hope for excitement begins to dwindle... and you're right to think that. However Bunny's transformation is indeed a bit of a curve ball... didn't see that one coming.... neither did Bat Face Monkey Man either... I guess Genesis did change a few things so long as it benefits the plot right?

And thats pretty much all that happens... Nichole isn't talking to people anymore... Sonic has a conversation with Knuckles... theres a flashback to something that has nothing to do with whats going on... and then Skunk man gets arrested... even though he's aparently been working with the new King (Monkey Man)? So shouldn't the King have pardoned him?

Wait... hang on... Why is Knuckles on the cover... WHEN HE DOESN'T DO ANYTHING!

This is Knuckles in issue 232 despite being on the cover.

"Hi Sonic... I'M NOW ANGRY! We must be patient... goodbye..."

And thats pretty much it... ... so ends one of the most boring comics ever.

However that said, there is a rather gem of a short story at the end about Bunny trying to come to terms with her new self and it is quite a touching moment. It almost reminds me of Fleetways Shortfuse when Robotnik was defeated and he tried to adjust to a 'normal life' if only to be a bungling idiot. It does raise the question as to what happens if those who have suffered being part robot do get turned back, theres a sense of withdrawl and regret... mind you... this lady recovered quite well in the end...

...I'm sure Bunny will too.

But still... quite touching to read. However that said issue 232 is epically boring in every respect, not even the second tails doll cameo can save it from how dull it really is. Even Eggman isn't doing anything in the issue! He's just launched and attack on Mobius, why is he not following it up!? Why on earth is the hospital still standing if theres a Death Egg in the sky?

I think Snively speaks for the reader in this issue by pointing out how ridiculous Eggmans actions are... or the plot of this particular issue has been so far.

Although I will leave you with this one thought... Bat Faced Monkey Man can now reverse people who have been Roboticized.... well isn't it obvious who is going to cheat death again?

*adds another stamp* Hey she's got a free latte!

Is that a twinkling light in the distance or are the pitchforks out again?

Edited January 22, 2012 by Hogfather

[Soniman]

Following the last review I did in which I was brande an outside and practically chased from the village with a pitchfork and burning torches

Edited January 22, 2012 by Grooseinator032

[#EndyGate]

I actually agree with Hoggy on basically everything that he mentioned

Shifting the subject a little bit, I went snooping on Ken's forum again and found this:

To quote one of favorite philosophers, "I don't believe in the no-win scenario."

Lest it's really not clear, I'm not prepared to lose, especially after the week I've had in NYC these past few days, in which I came away with a small victory in the overall war, with the trial date vacated as further motions will be filed.

In case you hadn't noticed, Archie's owners are engaged in a death-match with each other, and I have my thoughts on that. Let's just say I believe one of the owners is being dragged unfairly through the mud. So that's a mess and a half all by itself.

As for my plans, I anticipate unveiling the next character sometime next week, to be followed by two more - possibly three - characters before the unveiling of the cover image.

I'll have more to say once I return home to the west coast later this weekend.

Basically Ken is being full of himself again, but the part in bold actually scares me a little bit.

[Your Vest Friend]

Just have to make one teeny tiny correction to Hoggy's post on the basis of technicality;

and Knuckles is on the cover of thi

Actually, he's not. If you look carefully, the figure in the bush has soft blue eyes, and you can also make out eyelashes if you're really looking closely at the detail. The cover may be a homage to Sonic 3, but he was specifically edited out to make way for Princess Sally.

[Octarine]

Basically Ken is being full of himself again, but the part in bold actually scares me a little bit.

You know, I think I might actually be looking forward to Penders' weekly terrifying character updates more than Concept Art Fridays. Maybe if every badnik had its own horrible tagline...

[Your Vest Friend]

In other news, rumours are spreading that Archie Sonic may be in danger of being forced to cancel. The problem lies at the top, because it's a dispute between the two co-CEOs of Archie, John Goldwater and Nancy Silberkleit. Info about Goldwater suing Silberkliet for being destructive to the company here

[#EndyGate]

Nancy Silberkleit sounds like one hell of a bitch :U

[Marcello]

Her bursting into a meeting and yelling "Penis!" at everybody cracked me up.

Still, this does seem worrisome. Hopefully they solve this quickly.

[Kuzu]

I feel a disturbance. As if millions of fanboys cried out in nerdrage, and were suddenly silenced.

[Soniman]

I feel a disturbance. As if millions of fanboys cried out in nerdrage, and were suddenly silenced.

[AuroraRedwinters]

Not wanting a comic to be cancelled is considered fanboyish?

Only if you are a fan of said comic. If you are not a fan of said comic, then you get to gloat as a relatively annoymous soul out there in cyberspace land.

Personally I am not concerned - almost. The only thing that is giving me pause is something was brought up during one of the topics over at BKC about Ian not doing the yearly "sneak peek" of what to expect the coming year in the comics. Apparently it was mentioned to someone that privately asked that he couldn't do it, but can't say why.

[Sega DogTagz]

In this storyline he was doing a pretty good job on his own (if you found the options screen), so why can't he go fight Robotnik in what I assume is supposed to be a Sonic 2 storyline?

And look here he is on his own again!

Well I think he can join in you little bitch so stop complaining about his age and go back to your damn throne and talk about a commity or something /Bill Murry Scrooged.

Tails age was an issue with the other characters even when he's "older" than his Genesis counterpart. Its a lingering habit that drags on well into issue 170+.

Why are you hanging the Genesis arc out to dry for falling back on a ploy that was even more blatant than usual? Tails appearing to young to fight is nothing new.

[Commissar Hurricane]

I am not a huge fan of the comics, but I would be very disappointed if the reason it could get canceled was because idiots at the top where fighting about money or something. Don't know, didn't bother to read the article.

[Phos]

Hogfather's review reminded my why I really don't like this comic. I don't like the SatAM/Archie specific content, and that's really what the comic is about.

I actually agree with Hoggy on basically everything that he mentioned

Shifting the subject a little bit, I went snooping on Ken's forum again and found this:

Basically Ken is being full of himself again, but the part in bold actually scares me a little bit.

[Your Vest Friend]

Tails age was an issue with the other characters even when he's "older" than his Genesis counterpart. Its a lingering habit that drags on well into issue 170+.

Why are you hanging the Genesis arc out to dry for falling back on a ploy that was even more blatant than usual? Tails appearing to young to fight is nothing new.

One thing I like about the Genesis arc is that Sonic actually confronts Sally over this. That ploy has been fucking stupid from the start.

[turbojet]

In other news, rumours are spreading that Archie Sonic may be in danger of being forced to cancel. The problem lies at the top, because it's a dispute between the two co-CEOs of Archie, John Goldwater and Nancy Silberkleit. Info about Goldwater suing Silberkliet for being destructive to the company here

This is horrible. Absolutely dreadful. This could be the end of everything Ian has worked out of. No more reshaping of characters. No more snarky Sonic. No more BEAN! No more Sally...

I'm just kidding. But still..

[The-Master-Board]

No more having to hear people whine about Sally!

[goku262002]

Really hope your joking there The-Master-Board. because that would be a really pathetic reason to want the comic stopped entirely.

[The Tenth Doctor]

Enough is enough, you try to take my internet now you try to take my Sonic comics? Why does God hate me so? Anyway to go on Hogfather's post, I agree quite more than I thought I would. I agree that Tails age has always been picked on and is stupid to neglect him for it. I agree 232 isn't exactly exciting. Heck I agree with most of it. Genesis was hyped up to be big, yet flopped due to "too little, too soon". I think the letter section said if we wanted more, Universe was always an option. So a Sonic 3 Arc in Genesis style? I can hardly say no.as for Ken, well go away. Thats all I can say

[Dantemustdie00]

No more having to hear people whine about Sally!

lol, I'm going to have to agree with this here, that would be one thing I can easily do away with permantly.

Well whatever the heck those Archie bosses are arguing about better not screw around with my monthly joy of Sonic and Mega Man comics. We only get like one measly game a year, sometimes two, and they barely hold me for a week without getting bored of it, but I like to enjoy Sonic all year long, so they better settle their little affairs without any consequnces..

[goku262002]

Hey if anyone wants bigger versions of april issue covers, Comics Continuum just upped them.