Tomb Raider - Out 05/03/2013 for X360/PS3/PC

[turbojet]

So why did you change your mind?   

 

Also that was nearly a year ago I have slept since then....

What changed my mind was a discussion with a close friend who is a part of several activist groups about the topic. Then actually debating it last month, I clearly pointed out that the lack of power structure to which I was called, "Not worth speaking to about the topic." So yeah. I've been attacked from all sides, buddy.

 

And it is kind of hard to stick to your guns when they kept showing an attempted rape scene. Then, I seriously started questioning the sexist claim when I found out that Rhianna Pratchet was writing it.

Edited March 3, 2013 by turbojet

[Badnik Mechanic]

Which band-wagon are referring to Hog? 

 

I'm not sure, what outrageous controversy was the last one?

 

Last time I was in this topic it was because people were getting outraged over a spike death, in turn loads of other people started saying 'Yeah I'm outraged too,' even though the exact same thing was in the first game.

 

The time I came into the topic before that it was the whole 'rape thing' people were getting outraged over 4 seconds of non context footage, now we know the reality of that one.

 

So what controversy was the last one?

[Lady Soniko]

I knew this was blown out of proportion, HATE it when you guys jump on the bandwagon before things are cleared.

 

Either way I'm picking this game up some time.

[Emmett L. Brown]

The rape and the spike thing were really awful, but it was always the "Players don't see themselves in the role of Lara - instead they want to protect her" message that completely killed my interest.

 

I'm glad the hands-on impressions are showing that that line was complete bullshit.

[KrazyBean]

So...is the game crap now, or what?

[Stacy]

I'm not sure, what outrageous controversy was the last one?

 

Last time I was in this topic it was because people were getting outraged over a spike death, in turn loads of other people started saying 'Yeah I'm outraged too,' even though the exact same thing was in the first game.

 

The time I came into the topic before that it was the whole 'rape thing' people were getting outraged over 4 seconds of non context footage, now we know the reality of that one.

 

So what controversy was the last one?

 

The spike one. But people still discussed "Rape" PR Gaff until Tubojet's Gameplay post.  People are now saying all the marketing for the game was messed up. Which I disagree with. 

 

I think anyway....

[Sean]

Nobody jumped to conclusions or blew anything out of proportion, nor was there ever any bandwagon to jump on.

[CrownSlayers Shadow]

Okay honestly, on the spike thing I was neutral as hell, because I didn't find anything gendered about it, and nothing would convince me any further that it wouldn't have been any more shocking if it was a male in that situation.

[turbojet]

So...is the game crap now, or what?

Do you like the Uncharted series?

[Stacy]

So...is the game crap now, or what?

 

Depends on what you think would make it crap?

[Komodin]

I knew this was blown out of proportion, HATE it when you guys jump on the bandwagon before things are cleared.

 

I can't say that I dig the assumption that my initial dislike for the game was due to some bandwagon mentality on my part...

[CrownSlayers Shadow]

Forum hard-hitters jumping the bandwagon? Riiiiiighht....

 

Not that it ain't possible, but come on. We're not that stupid.

Edited March 3, 2013 by ChaosSupremeSonic

[Gabz Girl]

This is like DmC all over again. All that controversy, and it turns out the game is pretty solid. 

[CrownSlayers Shadow]

This is like DmC all over again. All that controversy, and it turns out the game is pretty solid. 

Er...DmC's controversy had some key differences considering their attitude towards the people criticizing the game, and is more akin to Mass Effect 3 than Tomb Raider.

 

Not that people weren't going to extremes, but the responses were more Fans: "Fuck you, that's not Dante!" and Developers: "Fuck off and play the game."

 

Nevermind that Capcom has been doing some pretty obnoxious stuff for a while that people have been highly critical about.

[turbojet]

I am so tempted to go off right now.

 

But yes, KrazyBean, the game is good in the sense that there is no replayability after the first playthrough and is generally a decent action adventure game with a sketchy beginning. It is a straight forward action experience just like the previous entries.

 

And no, DmC got the shit it deserved because the change was unneeded, as Devil May Cry 4 still is the second most bought game of it's genre behind only God of War, nor wanted, the mechanics were completely different, and the constant shitting Ninja Theory and the gaming media did on the original fans. It shows that the game didn't sell well despite the praise it received.

Edited March 3, 2013 by turbojet

[Emmett L. Brown]

Well, how's the [drawn-out contemptible sneer]multiplayer[/drawn-out contemptible sneer]?

Edited March 3, 2013 by Emmett L. Brown

[turbojet]

Didn't see it. It's a pretty good single game experience though. Really cinematic.

[CrownSlayers Shadow]

Nobody jumped to conclusions or blew anything out of proportion, nor was there ever any bandwagon to jump on.

Time out, Sean.

 

Not trying to be mean about this, but didn't you jump to the conclusion that this was the most misogynistic game ever back on page 4 and backed it up on it being torture porn? Because that's part of what lead to this massive debate, which only got worse until the game's release.

 

While there wasn't much of a bandwagon, there was a lot of jumping to conclusions and things were definitely blown up. I was doing it too, so I'm not gonna deny my part in it.

Edited March 3, 2013 by ChaosSupremeSonic

[Lady Soniko]

I can't say that I dig the assumption that my initial dislike for the game was due to some bandwagon mentality on my part...

 

My initial like for the game felt alienated because of the overwhelming hate, and some of the comments made about liking such game made ME feel like the bad guy for looking forward to the game, not naming any names but this topic really pissed me off something rotten straight after coming out of the DmC thread with a bad taste in my mouth.

[Stacy]

Time out, Sean.

 

Not trying to be mean about this, but didn't you jump to the conclusion that this was the most misogynistic game ever back on page 4 and backed it up on it being torture porn? Because that's part of what lead to this massive debate, which only got worse until the game's release.

 

While there wasn't much of a bandwagon, there was a lot of jumping to conclusions and things were definitely blown up. I was doing it too, so I'm not gonna deny my part in it.

 

To be honest I am more annoyed at people that weren't following the topic came in and posted negative things about the game without reading both sides posts.

[Sean]

Time out, Sean.

 

Not trying to be mean about this, but didn't you jump to the conclusion that this was the most misogynistic game ever back on page 4 and backed it up on it being torture porn? Because that's part of what lead to this massive debate, which only got worse until the game's release.

 

While there wasn't much of a bandwagon, there was a lot of jumping to conclusions and things were definitely blown up. I was doing it too, so I'm not gonna deny my part in it.

 

 

Considering how absolutely blatant the scenes were marketed and how each comment the devs made about the game was practically articulated to stir up more controversy than the last... No.

[Stacy]

Considering how absolutely blatant that scene was marketed and how each comment the devs made about the game stirred up more controversy than the last. No.

 

Was it really marketed? Apart from being shown at that presentation last year? 

 

It wasn't the developers who said those things it was the Executive Producer of the game that said those comments.

Edited March 3, 2013 by BW199148

[MamboCat]

Last time I was in this topic it was because people were getting outraged over a spike death, in turn loads of other people started saying 'Yeah I'm outraged too,' even though the exact same thing was in the first game.

 

I was a bit O.o about the spike death... I did think that it was a reference to the gruesome deaths Lara has in the original games, just taken to the extreme and given modern graphics... which made it a bit OTT at least in my opinion.

 

Then again I do remember my mum getting upset that in the original games when you shot animals, people and whatnot it would show little red splots of blood! XD So I think it's the same kind of thing but they've upped the ante considerably.

 

I'll probably get the game as I'm a sucker for anything Tomb Raider... it's just not high on my priority list right now! Still got AC3 to finish (and that's taking ages)!

Edited March 3, 2013 by Doctor Mambotnik

[Nepenthe]

There's little wrong in making a conclusion about a game based on its marketing. That's the entire point: to display the features of an unreleased product so the public can make a determination on whether they'll buy it or not. One has as much right to call a game "cool" based on a trailer as one has the right to be turned off by it. Was some of the marketing misleading? Yes if what turbojet is saying is true, and frankly I think we should all be relieved that it's not that bad at all. But at the same time, I don't think being turned off to a product by something like a potential rape scene is overreacting or wrong. By throwing something in a trailer, you are inherently saying "this is representative of the product," and subsequently everyone's free to make a value judgement off of the trailer as a result.

 

Granted, I didn't get the whole "impaled on the neck" thing. It was visceral (though I personally don't like pointy things going through people), but that was just modern video game violence, even ignoring the franchise's own violent history.

Edited March 3, 2013 by Nepenthe

[turbojet]

Considering how absolutely blatant the scenes were marketed and how each comment the devs made about the game was practically articulated to stir up more controversy than the last... No.

So it is not a logical jump to conclusion when how you reached to it is with the premises of a 4 second scene that could easily be interpreted as attempt of murder instead of rape, a walkthrough with no context, and an interview from someone who may not be directly working on the game in anyway?

 

Here is how it is being marketed now which is shit ton more accurate.

Edited March 3, 2013 by turbojet